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Old April 29th 05, 02:41 PM
Baha
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Peter Duniho wrote:


Ahh...I misunderstood. I thought by "rates" you meant those were the

hourly
rates for those aircraft. I think intro prices are good policy, but

yours
don't really differentiate your outfit at all. Your intro offering

is
basically the same one would find pretty much anywhere, and now

heavily
advertised through http://www.beapilot.com.

And we are part of the beapilot program. By intro rates I meant intro
rate on the two seater and the one on the 4 seater.
We are the only outfit that offers intro rates in Renton Airport.
That's when our differentiation comes in. There are other flight
schools in the area that don't offer that at all.

My motto is, even if I don't make any money on the first flight,

you
will stick around and finish your private with us.


Yup, there's a reason lots of schools and FBOs have a similar policy.



I also intentionally don't sell "private pilot packages" because I
don't want anyone to sign up and then feel the frustration of not

being
able to get their money back. Believe me, I have seen really bad

flight
schools that they will take your money $1000 or more and will never
return it because it's hidden in some place on their rental

agreement.

Couldn't that be addressed by either a) giving the student's money

back, or
b) not hiding whatever restrictions exist on refunding the money?


It could , but most of the local people don't do that.. There have been
cases where other flight schools hung on to their customers block money
($200 to $1000) in expense of losing the customer for good.

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Old April 29th 05, 04:08 PM
kage
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Baha,

Don't worry about what dunaho says. He is NEVER going to use your service.
His pleasure only comes from disagreeing with everything anybody posts on
this group.

Karl


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Peter Duniho wrote:


Ahh...I misunderstood. I thought by "rates" you meant those were the

hourly
rates for those aircraft. I think intro prices are good policy, but

yours
don't really differentiate your outfit at all. Your intro offering

is
basically the same one would find pretty much anywhere, and now

heavily
advertised through http://www.beapilot.com.

And we are part of the beapilot program. By intro rates I meant intro
rate on the two seater and the one on the 4 seater.
We are the only outfit that offers intro rates in Renton Airport.
That's when our differentiation comes in. There are other flight
schools in the area that don't offer that at all.

My motto is, even if I don't make any money on the first flight,

you
will stick around and finish your private with us.


Yup, there's a reason lots of schools and FBOs have a similar policy.



I also intentionally don't sell "private pilot packages" because I
don't want anyone to sign up and then feel the frustration of not

being
able to get their money back. Believe me, I have seen really bad

flight
schools that they will take your money $1000 or more and will never
return it because it's hidden in some place on their rental

agreement.

Couldn't that be addressed by either a) giving the student's money

back, or
b) not hiding whatever restrictions exist on refunding the money?


It could , but most of the local people don't do that.. There have been
cases where other flight schools hung on to their customers block money
($200 to $1000) in expense of losing the customer for good.



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Old April 29th 05, 06:37 PM
Peter Duniho
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"kage" wrote in message
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Don't worry about what dunaho says. He is NEVER going to use your service.
His pleasure only comes from disagreeing with everything anybody posts on
this group.


Geez...you can't even spell my name right.

Where did I disagree with him?

Seems like you've got a big chip on your shoulder, but inventing conflict
where none exists isn't going to get you anywhere.


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Old April 29th 05, 08:54 PM
Ron Natalie
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Peter Duniho wrote:
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Interesting...I like the idea of introductory rates. Nice to allow someone
to try out your rental services at a reduced rate.


Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a
discount on the rental while you were getting checked out.
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Old April 29th 05, 09:03 PM
Montblack
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("Ron Natalie" wrote)
Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a
discount on the rental while you were getting checked out.



Overall, was renting out your Navion a positive experience, or would you hop
in the local Way-Back Machine and tell yourself - don't do it?


Montblack

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Old April 29th 05, 10:44 PM
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Montblack wrote:
("Ron Natalie" wrote)

Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a
discount on the rental while you were getting checked out.




Overall, was renting out your Navion a positive experience, or would you
hop in the local Way-Back Machine and tell yourself - don't do it?


Well, it would have been nice to allow it to have worked. We had a
number of mechanical issues (just us wringing out stuff that we would
have found anyhow as private owners). The thing that doomed us was
incompetent maintenance shop (honest at least, but incompetent) that
kept the plane from being as available as it needed to be and a small
taxiing incident with a student that knocked her off the line for a
couple of months. The thing that really pulled the plug however was
that the insurance for rentals of a lot of things (our operation also
had a 170, a 180, and a turbo arrow) got pretty close to unobtainable.

We never really had too much of a problem other than we never got the
thing rented enough to cover the costs. Insurance (when we could get
it) was 3X what it was for private use.

I think less and less of the aviation insurance industry every day.
It's going to kill aviation faster than rising gas prices are going
to.
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Old April 30th 05, 04:44 AM
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"Ron Natalie" wrote

I think less and less of the aviation insurance industry every day.
It's going to kill aviation faster than rising gas prices are going
to.


Give the man a cigar!

Insurance is the reaction to litigation, and will always react fast enough
to make sure it is the big time winner. Insurance will continue to control
more and more property and investments, and where it will stop, I don't
know.

To get a handle on insurance, we must first get a handle on the legal
system.
--
Jim in NC

 




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