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Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?



 
 
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Old December 16th 06, 06:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jose[_1_]
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

I should have added to the original question, it does not have to be in one
day, if the weather shuts you down, or your visiting friends for the night
you can continue on the next day or 3 days later.

Just as long as you are SOLO.


It doesn't even have to be continuous, or in the same airplane. You can
fly somewhere solo, fly some friends around (separate flight), and
then fly somewhere else again solo (continuing the original flight,
land, switch airplanes, fly to a third place (continuing the original
flight)... You have a lot of latitude in what you consider a "flight".

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Old December 16th 06, 06:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Macklin
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

FAR Part 1 and Part 61 have a requirement for Cross-country.
%0 NM is the benchmark for C-X to count when logging, beyond
26 NM requires student pilots to be endorsed for X-C.

Technically, a flight with multiple lands must have a first
leg of 51 NM and be followed by a landing every 5 miles for
three hundred miles and they'd all be X-C creditable toward
X-C requirements, but the LONG CROSS-COUNTRY requires a
single 250 mile leg between landings, the required number of
landings in the C-X section should be a different airports.


"Peter" wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
|
| But nowhere in the regulation does
| it say "one day" so as long as the flights are all legs
| longer than 50 miles and the longest is 250 miles
straight
| line from the departure, you should be OK.
|
| Thank you Jim - but where is the requirement for all legs
to be over
| 50nm?
|
| When I did the IFR x/c for the IR, we did the flight with
an initial
| 250nm leg and then flew to a nearby airport to achieve the
three
| different IAPs.
|
| In fact I can't see why the three landings cannot all be
done at the
| same airport, say 300nm+ away from the point of departure.


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Old December 16th 06, 06:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Macklin
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

It helps to mark the flights in your logbook that are used
to meet certain requirements. When then FAA looks at a
logbook for an ATP or a DE looks during the PP and CP, they
often ask, which/when did you log the time for some
"special" flight. It saves time if you have some reference
to the regulation or at lest a mark of some sort.


"Jose" wrote in message
. ..
| I should have added to the original question, it does not
have to be in one
| day, if the weather shuts you down, or your visiting
friends for the night
| you can continue on the next day or 3 days later.
|
| Just as long as you are SOLO.
|
| It doesn't even have to be continuous, or in the same
airplane. You can
| fly somewhere solo, fly some friends around (separate
flight), and
| then fly somewhere else again solo (continuing the
original flight,
| land, switch airplanes, fly to a third place (continuing
the original
| flight)... You have a lot of latitude in what you
consider a "flight".
|
| Jose
| --
| "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing.
Unfortunately, nobody knows
| what they are." - (mike).
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.


  #14  
Old December 16th 06, 06:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jose[_1_]
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

Technically, a flight with multiple lands must have a first
leg of 51 NM...


Where is it that the =first= leg is the one that has to be 50nm?

Jose
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Old December 16th 06, 06:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
BT
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?


"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
FAR Part 1 and Part 61 have a requirement for Cross-country.
%0 NM is the benchmark for C-X to count when logging, beyond
26 NM requires student pilots to be endorsed for X-C.

Technically, a flight with multiple lands must have a first
leg of 51 NM and be followed by a landing every 5 miles for
three hundred miles and they'd all be X-C creditable toward
X-C requirements, but the LONG CROSS-COUNTRY requires a
single 250 mile leg between landings, the required number of
landings in the C-X section should be a different airports.



Where does it say a "single 250nm leg"?
I say.. 61.129 does not, It says a trip of at least 300nm with 3 landings
and one landing at least 250nm straight line from the starting airport.

BT


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Old December 16th 06, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Bill Zaleski
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

I received an email via the FAA subscription system from Mr. Ballough,
who is/was the manager of FAA flight standards about 6-8 months ago,
recinding the memorandum that is at the top of the last FAQ revision
(#22). It effectively said that the FAQ's are no longer policy and
that was the reason for the removal of them from the FAA site.

Too bad that the FAQ's were the best thing we had, and the feds chose
to replace them with nothing but the suggestion to make inquiries to
the FSDO.




On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:46 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I have the last complete FAQ, before the FAA took it down, if anyone
wants it. The FAA says that it is not any good any more. Pretty
stupid to call it policy, then remove it from availability.


Where did they say it's "no good anymore"?

Jose


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Old December 16th 06, 10:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jose[_1_]
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

I received an email via the FAA subscription system from Mr. Ballough,

I gotta get me one of them.

Jose
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"There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows
what they are." - (mike).
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  #18  
Old December 17th 06, 02:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Macklin
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...pector_orders/


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
...
|I received an email via the FAA subscription system from
Mr. Ballough,
| who is/was the manager of FAA flight standards about 6-8
months ago,
| recinding the memorandum that is at the top of the last
FAQ revision
| (#22). It effectively said that the FAQ's are no longer
policy and
| that was the reason for the removal of them from the FAA
site.
|
| Too bad that the FAQ's were the best thing we had, and the
feds chose
| to replace them with nothing but the suggestion to make
inquiries to
| the FSDO.
|
|
|
|
| On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:46 GMT, Jose

| wrote:
|
| I have the last complete FAQ, before the FAA took it
down, if anyone
| wants it. The FAA says that it is not any good any
more. Pretty
| stupid to call it policy, then remove it from
availability.
|
| Where did they say it's "no good anymore"?
|
| Jose
|


  #19  
Old December 17th 06, 03:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Bill Zaleski
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:17:30 GMT, Jose
wrote:

I received an email via the FAA subscription system from Mr. Ballough,


I gotta get me one of them.

Jose


I just erased it a few weeks ago, or I would post it, sorry.

  #20  
Old December 17th 06, 03:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Bill Zaleski
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Default Commercial 250nm VFR flight - all 3 landings on the same day?

Jim: Is there something in particular in this link that I am missing?

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:30:42 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...pector_orders/


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .
|I received an email via the FAA subscription system from
Mr. Ballough,
| who is/was the manager of FAA flight standards about 6-8
months ago,
| recinding the memorandum that is at the top of the last
FAQ revision
| (#22). It effectively said that the FAQ's are no longer
policy and
| that was the reason for the removal of them from the FAA
site.
|
| Too bad that the FAQ's were the best thing we had, and the
feds chose
| to replace them with nothing but the suggestion to make
inquiries to
| the FSDO.
|
|
|
|
| On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:46 GMT, Jose

| wrote:
|
| I have the last complete FAQ, before the FAA took it
down, if anyone
| wants it. The FAA says that it is not any good any
more. Pretty
| stupid to call it policy, then remove it from
availability.
|
| Where did they say it's "no good anymore"?
|
| Jose
|


 




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