2 seaters

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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"Marco Rispoli" writes:

Then again your suggestion was not that much off, since the Katana
happens
to be the plane that sends me in uncontrollable fits of drooling (it's
such
a beautifully designed aircraft). It is exactly my "dream" plane ... but
alas I can't afford it.

However, thank you both for your suggestions !!

Just a warning -- the Katana cannot be used for IFR. I don't know
what other two seaters can be, or if that's a consideration for you.

And I'm afraid no one at my airport would ask "what's that" when you
landed in a Katana -- we have several based on the field.


All the best,


David

Didn't know that bit about the Katana. I don't plan to fly in a thunderstorm
on purpose but I do want the ability to fly IFR if I have to.

Quite odd that they didn't build the Katana for IFR ...

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

"Mitch Hines" wrote in message
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Marco,

I had(have) some of the same feelings, while a 152 will get you in the
air,
it will not get a 2nd glance. Like Greg Burkhart, I'll also add my vote
for
the venerable Aircoupe ( or Ercoupe depending upon the year). Here's
mine -
http://www.hinessite.com/aircoupe.htm ,for more go to
http://www.ercoupe.org, and http://www.ercoupers.com .

It will outperform the 152, and is way cooler! The bubble canopy will
give
you great view too. A 1965 or 66 Alon Aircoupe will cost you $20K - $25,
leaving plenty out of that $35k budget for hanger space or tiedown, $100
hamburgers, and cool aviator sunglasses ;-)

Regards,

Mitch


--
Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902



ohhh man! gold! Nice.

I was eyeing the Aircoupe.

Is it all metal? On trade-a-plane that's what one of the sellers is
claiming... Never seen one up close and in fact before you guys mentioned it
to me I didn't even know it existed before today ...

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

"Mitch Hines" wrote in message
...
Marco,

I had(have) some of the same feelings, while a 152 will get you in the
air,
it will not get a 2nd glance. Like Greg Burkhart, I'll also add my vote
for
the venerable Aircoupe ( or Ercoupe depending upon the year). Here's
mine -
http://www.hinessite.com/aircoupe.htm ,for more go to
http://www.ercoupe.org, and http://www.ercoupers.com .

It will outperform the 152, and is way cooler! The bubble canopy will
give
you great view too. A 1965 or 66 Alon Aircoupe will cost you $20K - $25,
leaving plenty out of that $35k budget for hanger space or tiedown, $100
hamburgers, and cool aviator sunglasses ;-)

Regards,

Mitch


--
Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902





Actually I have another question: can you tell me what's the max G-load it
can withstand? Does the POH tell you?

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

"Marco Rispoli" writes:

Is it all metal? On trade-a-plane that's what one of the sellers is
claiming... Never seen one up close and in fact before you guys
mentioned it to me I didn't even know it existed before today ...

You're about to spend a lot of money on an airplane. I know that many
owners are spending twice as much on their avionics upgrades as you
will be spending on your whole plane, but it's *still* a lot of money,
and the real cost is not the purchase but the yearly upkeep and
operating costs. I also know how excited and impatient (and nervous)
you must feel.

Still, I suggest that you slow down a bit. Spend some time walking
around airports (to the extent you're still allowed to do that down in
the U.S.), looking at planes and talking to pilots. Go on the
aircraft-type mailing lists and you'll probably find people willing to
take you up for rides in different aircraft types (you can offer to
pay for the gas, but they probably won't let you). Owners aren't
exactly modest or unenthusiastic when you start asking them questions
about their planes. Also, read the magazines, and go to Amazon and
order a few books, including aircraft reference books like Jane's.

Once you've narrowed it down, you might consider buying an owner's
manual or POH/PIM for the planes you're considering. You can often
find them on eBay for $10 or $15, or you can order many of them new or
in reprint from Essco:

http://www.esscoaircraft.com/


All the best,


David

Marco,

According to the POH

Positive 3.8 G Maneuver
3.6 G Gust
Negative -1.52 G Maneuver
- 1.605 G Guest

The 'Coupe are definitely not for aerobatics. These numbers may sound low,
but don't let that fool you about the ruggedness of this bird, it's built
like a little tank.

--Mitch




Actually I have another question: can you tell me what's the max G-load it
can withstand? Does the POH tell you?

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

In article ,
Marco Rispoli wrote:
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2 seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I'll be flamed from all quarters here, but you might consider a "2 seater"
like the Mooney M20A. There's one on TAP right now for $30,500. If you
look for a bargain or stretch your budget you might be able to get into
a metal-wing M20. An M20 is going to be a lot easier to maintain than
an M10 since they all share many parts.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

(Ben Jackson) writes:

I'll be flamed from all quarters here, but you might consider a "2 seater"
like the Mooney M20A. There's one on TAP right now for $30,500. If you
look for a bargain or stretch your budget you might be able to get into
a metal-wing M20. An M20 is going to be a lot easier to maintain than
an M10 since they all share many parts.

It cannot be easy to locate mechanics who are familiar with maintaining
and inspecting wood these days.

Read http://www.mooneypilots.com/woodwing.html, which is an interview
with Bill Wheat (a Mooney authority) about the wood-wing Mooney models
(the M20 and M20A).

I think you'd be looking at the low $40k range before you could get
into a decent 1962--1964 model year all-metal Mooney. That's quite a
bit out of the original poster's price range.

--
Matt Emerson
1963 M20D

It's comparable to a 172.

That's fine I am not looking for an acro bird.

Just making sure that it can take a little bit of rough weather if needs be.

Thanks!
--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net
"Mitch Hines" wrote in message
...

Marco,

According to the POH

Positive 3.8 G Maneuver
3.6 G Gust
Negative -1.52 G Maneuver
- 1.605 G Guest

The 'Coupe are definitely not for aerobatics. These numbers may sound
low,
but don't let that fool you about the ruggedness of this bird, it's built
like a little tank.

--Mitch




Actually I have another question: can you tell me what's the max G-load
it
can withstand? Does the POH tell you?

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message t.net...
In article ,
Marco Rispoli wrote:
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2 seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I'll be flamed from all quarters here, but you might consider a "2 seater"
like the Mooney M20A. There's one on TAP right now for $30,500. If you
look for a bargain or stretch your budget you might be able to get into
a metal-wing M20. An M20 is going to be a lot easier to maintain than
an M10 since they all share many parts.

I also cast a vote for the Ercoupe. I will disagree with the above. An
M20 is a retractable, constant speed prop aircraft. It will cost much
more to maintain then an Ercoupe, Aircoupe or M10. Insurance will also
be much more. Been there.

Kevin

On 29-Aug-2003, Neal wrote:

Marco, the choice is obvious, You need a Cherokee 140.


I'm going to agree with Neal on this one. There is nothing wrong with two
seat training airplanes like the Ercoupe, Cadet, Skipper, et al, but they
really are limited for anything beyond local, low and slow flying. A 140 is
not the sexiest plane around, but it is economical to operate, very
reliable, and has excellent range, plenty of useful load, and adequate speed
for actually going places.

Once you discover how convenient (and fun!) a light airplane is for
traveling, you may very well want to expand your capabilities with an
instrument rating. A 140 is an excellent plane to use for instrument
training and, with its good range, IFR travel. I bought one about 28 years
ago and flew it for hundreds of hours, much of it IFR, from Seattle all over
the Western US and even once to the East Coast, landing at Washington
National.

The 140 can carry 2 full-sized adults, full fuel (5 hrs plus 1 hr reserve),
and plenty of baggage. For shorter local flights it will carry four adults
with reduced fuel. No room for baggage with four aboard, however.

One other factor: Insurance rates on the 140 are about as low as you will
find.

-Elliott Drucker