2 seaters

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:13:48 GMT, wrote:


One other factor: Insurance rates on the 140 are about as low as you will
find.

Yep, that too. I pay about $700/yr for mine.

I got the impression he was looking for something interesting to fly.

Kevin


Neal wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:13:48 GMT, wrote:


One other factor: Insurance rates on the 140 are about as low as you will
find.

Yep, that too. I pay about $700/yr for mine.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:55:50 GMT, David Megginson
wrote:


Mind you, nobody's going to say "hey, what kind of plane is that?" for
a Cherokee, which was one of the original poster's requests.

Wanna bet?

You haven't seen mine then!!!!

It certainly has no shortage of attention-grabbing character, in fact
it is mentioned right now on at least three other websites than my own
website. Everywhere I go, it is an attention-magnet, and no, not
everyone is laughing at it either.

http://www.dylansmith.net/flying/trips/pville2k2/

http://www.swrfi.org/2003reviews.htm

http://www.eaa983.org/newsletters/EAAnewsletter0603.htm (text
reference under the Ranger Fly-In)

Marco,

I've posted this befo if you're on a budget check out this article at
AvWeb:

http://www.avweb.com/news/usedacft/181782-1.html

Check out the section on "entry-level trainer", that's the category you're
buying into. They cover the skipper and the high-wings you don't like.
They also say "why buy a two-seater when you can get a four-seater for the
same price"? I took that advice when I picked up by PA28-140, which is also
in your price range. Anyway...

The skipper gets fair reviews and you can pick up decent ones that aren't
too old. The tomahawk, which is a near clone, is another story. It has a
few black eyes due to its stall/spin behavior (at least until several ADs
were applied). You'll want to be careful shopping for tomahawks and some
people simply don't trust them (Rich Stowell, famous for spin training, is
one such person, at least that's what he's said in the past). Don't know
anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2
seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I can afford:

Beech Skipper (goes between 25-35 grands age around 20+)
Mooney M10 (same as the skipper ... but it's older age around 30+)
Piper Tomahawk (same as the skipper).

Are there any other low wing 2 seaters out there that I am missing?
(probably, yes ...)

By the way it's not by chance that there's no high-wings in my list. I
know
I can probably buy a cub for the same price ... I am just not too crazy
about high wings ... I will look into those later, if I have no other
choice.

Thanks

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

Marco Rispoli wrote:

Steve was right, my price cap is actually 35k (even if I didn't say it ...
and I am not sure how he figured it...

Probably because you said the Skipper goes for up to 35k and fits your budget.

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

"Mark Astley" wrote in message
...
Marco,

clip
Don't know anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s
had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

/clip


Just for the record, the Mooney M10 Cadet is all-metal. It is really just
an Aircoupe with its tail feathers clipped. Mooney bought the
Ercoupe/Aircoupe type certificate and started producing the plane after
Alon. But they clipped off the most distictive part of the 'Coupe, the twin
vertical fins and replace it with their well know Mooney tail. With the twin
Tails the plane was placarded as incapable of spinning, under normal CG
limits it just could not be made to spin. For better or worse, this was
not true once Mooney put their tail on it. In my opinion, Mooney did Fred
Weick's design a great disservice. The M10 may be a great little plane, but
it just ain't the same bird.


Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902

Very good reading!

thank you!

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net
"Mark Astley" wrote in message
...
Marco,

I've posted this befo if you're on a budget check out this article at
AvWeb:

http://www.avweb.com/news/usedacft/181782-1.html

Check out the section on "entry-level trainer", that's the category you're
buying into. They cover the skipper and the high-wings you don't like.
They also say "why buy a two-seater when you can get a four-seater for the
same price"? I took that advice when I picked up by PA28-140, which is
also
in your price range. Anyway...

The skipper gets fair reviews and you can pick up decent ones that aren't
too old. The tomahawk, which is a near clone, is another story. It has a
few black eyes due to its stall/spin behavior (at least until several ADs
were applied). You'll want to be careful shopping for tomahawks and some
people simply don't trust them (Rich Stowell, famous for spin training, is
one such person, at least that's what he's said in the past). Don't know
anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2
seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I can afford:

Beech Skipper (goes between 25-35 grands age around 20+)
Mooney M10 (same as the skipper ... but it's older age around 30+)
Piper Tomahawk (same as the skipper).

Are there any other low wing 2 seaters out there that I am missing?
(probably, yes ...)

By the way it's not by chance that there's no high-wings in my list. I
know
I can probably buy a cub for the same price ... I am just not too crazy
about high wings ... I will look into those later, if I have no other
choice.

Thanks

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

Do you know the link for that person with the wooden Piper? Ok, it's only
paint, but it sure looks like wood.

--
Montblack

"Neal"
http://www.dylansmith.net/flying/trips/pville2k2/

http://www.swrfi.org/2003reviews.htm

http://www.eaa983.org/newsletters/EAAnewsletter0603.htm (text
reference under the Ranger Fly-In)

I don't subscribe, and there's no way I'd pay 12 bucks for a download.
Too bad, I'd like to see if they attempted to rip apart a great little
plane.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:11:50 -0400, " news.comcast.giganews.com"
wrote:

The January issue of Aviation Consumer features the various Air/Ercoupe in
their "Used Aircraft" article, it might be wort a read.

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
et...
"Mitch Hines" wrote in message
...
Marco,

I had(have) some of the same feelings, while a 152 will get you in the
air,
it will not get a 2nd glance. Like Greg Burkhart, I'll also add my vote
for
the venerable Aircoupe ( or Ercoupe depending upon the year). Here's
mine -
http://www.hinessite.com/aircoupe.htm ,for more go to
http://www.ercoupe.org, and http://www.ercoupers.com .

It will outperform the 152, and is way cooler! The bubble canopy will
give
you great view too. A 1965 or 66 Alon Aircoupe will cost you $20K -
$25,
leaving plenty out of that $35k budget for hanger space or tiedown, $100
hamburgers, and cool aviator sunglasses ;-)

Regards,

Mitch


--
Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902





Actually I have another question: can you tell me what's the max G-load it
can withstand? Does the POH tell you?

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

David Megginson wrote:
: engines, two fuel tanks, etc. etc. Maintenance should be about the
: same, and while fuel will be a little more if you fly the four-seater
: at its best speed, you can always fly a 172 or Cherokee at 150 speeds
: and save gas -- my Warrior II burns only 6.6 gph at 55% power (90
: kias).

Absolutely. I get a kick out of people convincing themselves that
they don't want to get a higher HP version of a plane because they don't
like the extra fuel burn. I used to be one, when I was looking for a
Cherokee 140. After finding/buying/flying my Cherokee 180, however, I'm a
big believer that you can't have too much power in a plane. Since I'm
frugal by nature, I cruise the Cherokee 180 at 65%, 8.5 gal/hour... just
like a 150hp 140 at 75%. Kinder to the engine, can lean a bit more, but
you can get to altitude more comfortably and you got more when you need
it. Remember, airframe gets you speed, power gets you load/climb.

Best example is a guy I know who doesn't want a 150 hp version of
a Cessna 150 aerobat because of the fuel burn. Silly... plane silly...

-Cory


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