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New IFR Currency requirements...!
On Feb 25, 6:14 am, Roy Smith wrote:
Pointless? No. I do agree with you that's it's a little vague.... My point here was that if I can control the plane by reference to instruments while doing approaches, I sure as heck must be able to do it while remaining straight and level. What additional experience am I gaining by simply being in cruise flight for that long? On a somewhat unrelated note, how are professional pilots going to stay current? Their normal flying probably takes care of that today, but I don't know of many airlines that still use non-precision approaches. --Dan |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
In a previous article, Roy Smith said:
The way the rules are written today, you can maintain currency by getting vectors to the same ILS at your home drome 6 times and doing one hold. Repeat every six months. By this time, you should have the fixes and altitudes memorized and can probably read back the vectors in your sleep. All the real world IFR flying I've done since getting my ticket has involved flying in or over clouds en-route, and maybe once in a while doing an ILS where I break out soon after crossing the FAF. I've never done a real circle to land (and I hope I never have to), and I've only once done a LOC-BC approach in the clouds (which with a HSI was pretty much a non-event). So if all I did for currency was fly 6 ILSes at my home airport, I would be pretty well prepared for what I'm going to encounter in real life. I've been trying to mix it up a bit, however, but there's only so much a safety pilot will put up with, especially since they decommissioned our NDB approach. -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ "I'm starting to suspect she has a part-time job in one of the circles of Hell and is telecommuting." |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
"Roy Smith" wrote in message
... In article , Jose wrote: A full stop landing damn well is part of instrument flying. The whole point of an instrument flight is to get to another airport when the weather is bad. I suppose 50 miles is somewhat arbitrary, but it seems to me that the whole point here is to get people away from their familiar home environment. If taking two 50 mile flights twice a year is a hardship, I don't understand what people are doing with their ratings. Yeah, right. And it's kind of hard to do that in much less than 50 miles. On any kind of real IFR flight with weather that's at all marginal, one of the first things I do once I get settled into cruise is call up flight watch and get an update on weather along my route. There's neither time nor reason to do that on a 25 mile hop to the next airport over. This is for currency. If one doesn't fly any real IFR over a six-month period, then requiring a little enroute flying with the appropriate transitions at the ends seems reasonable. It is the wording that bothers me. It seems to imply that currency would include a single flight that entails all the transitions and enroute time. What if I had an hour of real IFR and an approach or two and just needed to fill in the gaps? ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
... An instrument take-off can be done under the hood, but the FAA practice has been to put the hood on at 100-200 feet. And then fail an engine on a twin. "Don Poitras" wrote in message ... | Dan wrote: | So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency | requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- | country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting | of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. | | Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be | present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) | | Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- | country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It | is a little vague... | | Here is the link: | | http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf | | The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. | | I've never done a takeoff under the hood. I wonder if it would be ok if | I did that just before rotating or if it needs to be done for the | entire roll. I'm glad my home airport runway is 100 feet wide... | | Yes, I know we can legally take off zero zero. It's just not something | I think I need to practice every six months. | | With a /G plane, the hold over the radio station and intersection are | no different. I wonder where these requirements are coming from? Has | someone been complaining that pilots aren't doing holds very well and | should practice more? An hour cross country? My last currency ride actually | did last more than an hour. We didn't cross much country though. We | did a GPS at Chapel Hill and from the hold at the missed went to the | nearby IAP for the GPS at my home airport at Sanford. They're 21 miles | apart. | | | --Dan | | | -- | Don Poitras That's nice with an instructor. I'm not sure that I would trust that flight scenario with the typical safety pilots I recruit. Most are non-instrument rated and maybe even unfamiliar with my plane. Transitioning to the hood just after rotation (which I find more difficult than transition to IMC), close to the ground, in a climb, following a departure procedure, in a busy airspace sounds like a tough scenario to require every six months. ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
In article .com,
"Dan" wrote: On Feb 25, 6:14 am, Roy Smith wrote: Pointless? No. I do agree with you that's it's a little vague.... My point here was that if I can control the plane by reference to instruments while doing approaches, I sure as heck must be able to do it while remaining straight and level. What additional experience am I gaining by simply being in cruise flight for that long? You get the experience of going someplace that's outside of your familiar area, where you actually have to think about how to get where you're going, look things up because you don't already have them memorized. You can spend the cruise time (if you can count 15 minutes as "cruise time") doing things like getting a weather update, reviewing your fuel status, planning your descent profile, etc. These are all things you should be doing on normal IFR flights anyway. Even better, put your safety pilot to good use and have him give you a diversion to someplace you haven't planned. Pull out the charts, figure out a route, air-file a flight plan, pick up your clearance, and program the GPS with the new route. That'll keep you busy during the en-route segment. Anybody who's flying real IFR on a regular basis will meet these requirements as part of his or her normal flying. Even if you need to go out and fly a bunch of approaches just to get current, going to someplace that's 50 miles away just shouldn't be a hardship. Most places, there's enough approaches around that without much effort, you can put together a loop where the missed approach from one puts you to the general vicinity of the IAF of the next. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
In article ,
Jose wrote: I can't tell you how many approaches I watch people make where they couldn't possible land at the end. Ok, fair enough (though in the example you cite it seems like he could have circled to land). I'd have to ask what you think the purpose of currency requirements is. If it is to repeatedly prove that you can still do =all= aspects of instrument flying by actually =doing= all aspects of instrument flying, I'd say that's overkill. Jose Proving that you can land the airplane at the end of the flight doesn't seem like a lot to ask. BTW, if you're reached the straight-in MDA and find you can't land, it's too late to be planning a circling maneuver. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
Even if you need to go
out and fly a bunch of approaches just to get current, going to someplace that's 50 miles away just shouldn't be a hardship. It's an added expense which may well be pointless. That same time and money could be better spent doing more approaches under different circumstances (including failed instruments) Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
Proving that you can land the airplane at the end of the flight doesn't
seem like a lot to ask. Well, I'm not sure I agree. There are lots of things that pilots need to be able to do that they don't have to prove repeatedly. BTW, if you're reached the straight-in MDA and find you can't land, it's too late to be planning a circling maneuver. True. But in that case (and your example) I'd say the approach was botched, and the pilot's evaluation of his own approach is flawed. Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:49:03 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
I suppose 50 miles is somewhat arbitrary, but it seems to me that the whole point here is to get people away from their familiar home environment. If taking two 50 mile flights twice a year is a hardship, I don't understand what people are doing with their ratings. You'd think actually using the rating would at least meet the minimum currency requirements. I'm not so sure I'd want to fly with someone who continually was worried about flying just enough to stay legally current. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
On 02/25/07 08:52, Travis Marlatte wrote:
"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... In article , Jose wrote: A full stop landing damn well is part of instrument flying. The whole point of an instrument flight is to get to another airport when the weather is bad. I suppose 50 miles is somewhat arbitrary, but it seems to me that the whole point here is to get people away from their familiar home environment. If taking two 50 mile flights twice a year is a hardship, I don't understand what people are doing with their ratings. Yeah, right. And it's kind of hard to do that in much less than 50 miles. On any kind of real IFR flight with weather that's at all marginal, one of the first things I do once I get settled into cruise is call up flight watch and get an update on weather along my route. There's neither time nor reason to do that on a 25 mile hop to the next airport over. This is for currency. If one doesn't fly any real IFR over a six-month Uhhh, let's not get IFR and IMC confused. You can fly all the IFR you want over the six month period, including approaches, holding, etc. yet still need to do the currency. period, then requiring a little enroute flying with the appropriate transitions at the ends seems reasonable. It is the wording that bothers me. It seems to imply that currency would include a single flight that entails all the transitions and enroute time. What if I had an hour of real IFR and an approach or two and just needed to fill in the gaps? ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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