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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
Wanna see an airplane break up from flutter?
Watch the movie clip: http://www.velozia.com/?p=1387 BTW, the Auguste Raspet Memorial Department of Aeronautical Engineering at Mississippi State University does flutter testing on airplanes, including experimentals. Bring your checkbook. White Lightning designer and Citadel-educated engineer Nick Jones had the White Lightning successfully tested there. I have balanced a set of flight controls with lead embedded in the leading edges--- rudder, elevator, ailerons --- for the White Lightning; and no, they are not completely balanced, just enough to avoid flutter up to about 350 kts. This is a 220 kt. cruise aircraft. |
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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
jl wrote:
Wanna see an airplane break up from flutter? Watch the movie clip: http://www.velozia.com/?p=1387 BTW, the Auguste Raspet Memorial Department of Aeronautical Engineering at Mississippi State University does flutter testing on airplanes, including experimentals. Bring your checkbook. White Lightning designer and Citadel-educated engineer Nick Jones had the White Lightning successfully tested there. I have balanced a set of flight controls with lead embedded in the leading edges--- rudder, elevator, ailerons --- for the White Lightning; and no, they are not completely balanced, just enough to avoid flutter up to about 350 kts. This is a 220 kt. cruise aircraft. Great post! That flying wing breakup looked kinda like a divergent pitch oscillation to me. There is nothing like a first hand account of a surface balancing - any idea what proportion of the control surface weight was balanced? That would be an interesting value! Regards Brian W |
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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
jl wrote:
Wanna see an airplane break up from flutter? Watch the movie clip: http://www.velozia.com/?p=1387 Here's the proper way to handle flutter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-qS7oN-3tA Sorry - it's an experimental aircraft in the traditional sense, so probably not topical for a "homebuilt" group. ;-) |
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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
Morgans wrote:
"Bob Hoover" wrote For anyone unfamiliar with bureaucratic formats, skipping to the last page of the 12 page report, will give you a complete list of the highlights. But the real message is more subtle than it appears. The real message offers a polite Heads-Up to ALL American airmen, telling us that if we can't keep our house in order there are plenty of bureaucrats more than eager to jump in and take care of that little matter for us. (Need I mention that bureaucrats don't come cheap?) I STRONGLY suggest you read the whole report and be prepared to act on it accordingly, when appropriate. -R.S.Hoover ***********************************************8 Zactly. Even better, I can't imagine flying a plane that might come apart in mid air (for no apparent reason) without fixing the problem causing it to come apart. Perhaps people should consider that fact, too. Does anyone know why there is no mass ballancing (as is common practice) on the ailerons, in the first place? The Zenair Zodiac uses wing warping. (They call it a "hingeless aileron"). Looks pretty springy to me. http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html John Kimmel |
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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
John Kimmel wrote:
The Zenair Zodiac uses wing warping. (They call it a "hingeless aileron"). Not all of them. Zenair has offered a piano-hinged aileron for quite a while...the SLSA version of the CH601 uses 'em, and some kit builders have opted for them. Two of the wing-failure accidents involved SLSA Zenairs, which have the piano hinges. Haven't heard the type of ailerons for the others. Ron Wanttaja |
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NTSB Safety Alert CH 601
Ron Wanttaja wrote:
John Kimmel wrote: The Zenair Zodiac uses wing warping. (They call it a "hingeless aileron"). Not all of them. Zenair has offered a piano-hinged aileron for quite a while...the SLSA version of the CH601 uses 'em, and some kit builders have opted for them. Two of the wing-failure accidents involved SLSA Zenairs, which have the piano hinges. Haven't heard the type of ailerons for the others. Ron Wanttaja As best we can find out NONE of the accident aircraft had the hingeless ailerons. This could explain why there has been no problems until the last few years when the hinges started replacing the hingeless. In fact the only commonality that I can find between the accident aircraft is hinged ailerons and the sort of strange (for an plane that the majority of the fleet is EXP-HB) fact that none of the aircraft were flown by the builder. |
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