what's in that air?

Everytime I'm near a BIG and busy airport I start to feel a little
weak and lightheaded. Almost as if I'm going to faint but I don't.

I never had a problem with emises or nausea and haven't yet vomited
when I thought of sick thoughts and I never get motion/ sea sickness.

I think to myself that this only happens in cities up against a major
airport like LAX and O'Hare. Could it be the Carbon Monoxide?

I have my doubts that it's carbon monoxide but I could be wrong. If
it's Carbon Monoxide then why don't I get the same sensation when in a
garage with a car idling with the door open for a vent? Why don't I
get the same sensation when I'm at the dirty Harbor where all the BIG
diesels in the ships, trucks and trains are producing Carbon Monoxide
(Co2 is it?)

My suspicions is it's got to be something in the air obviously, it's
either a gas or some kind of chemical.

If my suspicions are correct, even if I've been NKA all my life what I
and many others are sensitive to are the unburned gases and chemicals
that are spewed into the air from unburned aviation fuel and turbine
engines.

It must be because those engines turn so fast and tons of air are
passed through them while they are taking off and landing. Also there
is no such thing as a combustion engine that is 100% efficient.
Granted all our engines have advanced over the past 10 years but they
are still not 100% efficient and they don't burn 100% of the fuel that
are passed through them it's nearly imposible by todays technology.

This is what my suspicions are on what I and others are sensitive to.
There are other people who are unfazed by whatever is in the air by
these major airports.

Eastward Bound wrote:
Everytime I'm near a BIG and busy airport I start to feel a little
weak and lightheaded. Almost as if I'm going to faint but I don't.



Go to
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
search for "Contrails"
You may get some answers or end up with more questions.

Or be able to start a new topic.

FWIW

Wearin my foil hat.....
WW

Eastward Bound wrote:

This is what my suspicions are on what I and others are sensitive to.
There are other people who are unfazed by whatever is in the air by
these major airports.

Just on the offhand chance that you're not trolling, maybe a
psychiatrist could help.

Tim

In article ,
Eastward Bound wrote:
I have my doubts that it's carbon monoxide but I could be wrong.

CO poisoning doesn't just "go away", the molecules bind to hemiglobin
more strongly than O2 and the effects linger.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

I think I might be onto something.

What's making me sick isn't what's in the air so much as what vibrates
it.

YES I'm suggesting that the supersonic resonance/sound waves from the
jet engines spinning so fast (it's outer propeller edges going
supersonic speed) effects people, some people.

What I think I am getting is a mild case of "malaise". Not to confuse
with "Verdigo".


malaise: 1. A vague feeling of bodily discomfort. 2. A general
sense of depression or unease.


I'm telling you, whatever is affecting me near the major airports
starts as sudden as it stops/goes away. Having the problem being
sound related makes perfect sense. It's described as a hundred
thousand little sonic booms per minute. It must be effecting my inner
ear.

The whole effect on my body is vague and temporary.

This would explain why I'm not effected when I'm inside a building,
inside the airport, or inside an airplane. Passenger Jumbo Jets are
well sound insulated for passenger comfort. If there were no sound
insulation at all, I'll bet that the noise would be so unbearable that
people would just keel over everywhere and throw up.

So how does this information help people like me?

It just all goes to show that some people have no buisness living
anywhere near a flight path or an Airport esp. a major Airport.

I'm not allergic to anything and I never have been. I have always
been NKA as well as NKDA 100%, it's a true blessing...

(Eastward Bound) wrote in message . com...
I think I might be onto something.

What's making me sick isn't what's in the air so much as what vibrates
it.

YES I'm suggesting that the supersonic resonance/sound waves from the
jet engines spinning so fast (it's outer propeller edges going
supersonic speed) effects people, some people.

What I think I am getting is a mild case of "malaise". Not to confuse
with "Verdigo".


malaise: 1. A vague feeling of bodily discomfort. 2. A general
sense of depression or unease.


I'm telling you, whatever is affecting me near the major airports
starts as sudden as it stops/goes away. Having the problem being
sound related makes perfect sense. It's described as a hundred
thousand little sonic booms per minute. It must be effecting my inner
ear.

The whole effect on my body is vague and temporary.

This would explain why I'm not effected when I'm inside a building,
inside the airport, or inside an airplane. Passenger Jumbo Jets are
well sound insulated for passenger comfort. If there were no sound
insulation at all, I'll bet that the noise would be so unbearable that
people would just keel over everywhere and throw up.

So how does this information help people like me?

It just all goes to show that some people have no buisness living
anywhere near a flight path or an Airport esp. a major Airport.

I'm not allergic to anything and I never have been. I have always
been NKA as well as NKDA 100%, it's a true blessing...


No, I don't think it's the sound waves anymore.

It's got to be something in the air that happens only at night. It
could be toxins or it could very well be pockets of high
concentrations of carbon dioxide.

At night there is little or no wind breeze because the sun is needed
for turbulence. At night there are far more chances of being caught
in a pocket of air that has high concentrations of jet engine exhaust
i.e. too much carbon monoxide.

Fueling of the big aircraft is done through sealed hoses - releasing a
lot less fumes than you get when filling up your family car.

Not true---think about it----while that fuel is going into the tank, something
has to come out of the tank. Look into tank vent valves used on large single
point refueled aircraft. I remember a vent valve failing on a B-58 and saw the
side of the fuselage that was blown out by the pressure build up. Mac



At service stations, here is what happens. The car fills, and the
coaxial hose catches the car's exiting vapor and pushes it into the
tank that now has 20 gallons less liquid than it did before. If
there's any extra vapor to vent, there's a sort-of open air water
heater on the building roof. It has a pilot light and gets combustion
air drafted in from the below-ground tanks vents. (There are other
schemes but this got you ""free"" hot H2O...)

The tanker arrives. The {say} 8000 gallons of gasoline is drained
into the underground tank. That displaces 8000 gallons of vapor
which is shoved into the now liquid-empty but vapor-full tanker.

The tanker goes back to the marketing terminal and gets refilled.
It passes that 8Kgal of vapor to the terminal. There, there is a
"vapor recovery unit" - a stripped down micro refinery that mixes
the vapor with base stock ("lean oil" I doono why that name), giving
you liquid almost-gasoline. Say you get 1 gal of liquid for every
100 of vapor.

That a-g is then injected in small fractions into #2 Diesel and/or
#2 Heat{ing Oil}. In doing so, it lowers the flash point from oh
120F to 115.

That's how vapor recovery works in the car biz. Aircraft? Well, vice
automotive volumes, and Jet-A; avgas is a penny vs the DoD budget
worth, so skip that. (Even so, Southern Califunny may regulate; I
doono..). As for JetA, I never saw V-R in action when I worked on
such at CLE but maybe it's now at LAX etc. The basics would be the
same. I suspect they would use the recovered vapor in ramp lice,
not aircraft, as its characteristics will vary somewhat...
--
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

Mackfly wrote:

From: "James M. Knox"

Fueling of the big aircraft is done through sealed hoses - releasing a
lot less fumes than you get when filling up your family car.

Not true---think about it----while that fuel is going into the tank, something
has to come out of the tank. Look into tank vent valves used on large single
point refueled aircraft. I remember a vent valve failing on a B-58 and saw the
side of the fuselage that was blown out by the pressure build up. Mac

Also, prior to June 1970 (when I retired from the U.S.
Air Force) there was a picture on the cover of one of
the AF Magazines showing a C-130 (Herc) at Edwards
AFB, California with one wing in the usual horizontal
position, but the other "broke" between the two
engines. That wing tip was resting on the ground.
Cause? Some work had been done on the fuel vent
system and the vents on the side of the "broken" wing
were left plugged or shut for one reason or other.
Then they single point refueled the plane. When
sufficient pressure built up, the wing failed.


Lou.