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Russian Carrier Plans Part One
tankfixer wrote:
:In article , says... : : You do realize that the Sea of Okhotsk is surrounded by RUSSIAN land, : right? No sane US admiral would take a force up there during active : hostilities. : :You don't have to enter it. just deny a couple of exit's and Vladivostok :is worthless. : And positioning to deny those exits leaves you in a fixed position and vulnerable to huge land-based air assets. : : : : : : : : I'm not sure precisely what you have in mind, but the size of Russia's : : Navy has nothing to do with it. You're close enough inshore so that : : airplanes will blow your ass off if you try to sit in there. : : : : : :Yes, that is the problem the Russian face in trying to get out of : :Vladivostok.... : : : : Except most of it is RUSSIAN land... : :That will be news to Japan and Korea(north and south) : Might I suggest you look up the meaning of 'most' and realize that it doesn't equate to 'all'? No, it won't be news to either Japan or Korea. They can read maps, you see... -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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tankfixer wrote:
:In article , says... : tankfixer wrote: : : :In article , : says... : : : : You do realize that the Sea of Okhotsk is surrounded by RUSSIAN land, : : right? No sane US admiral would take a force up there during active : : hostilities. : : : :You don't have to enter it. just deny a couple of exit's and Vladivostok : :is worthless. : : : : And positioning to deny those exits leaves you in a fixed position and : vulnerable to huge land-based air assets. : :Maybe in the old days it did, but now ? : Making up more ignorance while you scurry about trying to move the goalposts? : :And why would I be on the surface in the first place ? : Who said you were? Why do you think that makes a difference? Do you stupidly believe that submarines are invulnerable to aircraft? [Keep moving those goalposts.] : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I'm not sure precisely what you have in mind, but the size of Russia's : : : Navy has nothing to do with it. You're close enough inshore so that : : : airplanes will blow your ass off if you try to sit in there. : : : : : : : : :Yes, that is the problem the Russian face in trying to get out of : : :Vladivostok.... : : : : : : : Except most of it is RUSSIAN land... : : : :That will be news to Japan and Korea(north and south) : : : : Might I suggest you look up the meaning of 'most' and realize that it : doesn't equate to 'all'? : :"most" of that land is just a hinderance to navigation. :Even the Russian bits. : :The important parts are NOT Russian. : The important parts to whom and for what? [Shift some more...] : : : No, it won't be news to either Japan or Korea. They can read maps, : you see... : : :I'm not the one who keeps discounting them.. : Gee, neither am I. You are, however, the one that is unable to read either a Usenet article, a map, or anything written on naval tactics. And the change from shifting the goalposts to outright lying was a nice change on your part. -- "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." -- Socrates |
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On Dec 2, 4:06 pm, tankfixer wrote:
Were you to actually study Russia a bit you will find they never really have operated a Blue Water navy successfully... Ice free ports are in short supply up that way |
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george wrote:
On Dec 2, 4:06 pm, tankfixer wrote: Were you to actually study Russia a bit you will find they never really have operated a Blue Water navy successfully... Ice free ports are in short supply up that way Not for very much longer... Dan |
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:09:47 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote: If mere money would do it, Saudi Arabia would have a huge carrier aviation organization. They don't. I think not wanting any has more to do with it. Argentina had a carrier, after all. Casady |
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On Dec 4, 5:09 am, Dan wrote:
george wrote: On Dec 2, 4:06 pm, tankfixer wrote: Were you to actually study Russia a bit you will find they never really have operated a Blue Water navy successfully... Ice free ports are in short supply up that way Not for very much longer... True. They'll be able to lay up all those Icebreakers |
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