Your opinions, please!

Yes, a friend had it happen to him. It was horrible. Obviously not
life threatening but it can really mess up your life. Now that it's
more common, maybe the credit agencies will be more cooperative in
helping to reestablish one's credit rating. You really should take
every precaution.
Dave

Jay Honeck wrote:
We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.


You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Well while don't you test it. Start posting your social security number on
this newsgroup and others.

Well, there's stupid, and then there is STUPID. I ain't STUPID. :-)

You are just being stupid. Yes.

Jeez, rough crowd...

again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
something?

Kind of like you posting your business url on every post, eh?

Well, fanning the flames of paranoia in order to sell something of
questionable value, versus posting my aviation themed hotel's URL in posts
made on an aviation newsgroup seem (to me, anyway) to be quite different --
but maybe I'm just being stupid again?

Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

Nope. And if I did, how would this be relevant?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

("Doug" wrote)
Since we all know each other by our posting identities, why not use
those? It is possible that someone might use the info about the plane
and/or pilot for other than honorable purposes. Some posters might
have valid reasons to use a different or incomplete name. Aircraft
theft, avionics theft, identity theft are all things that do occur
from time to time in our society. We can be somewhat selective about
who gets to know us in "real life". But we can't control at all who
views our posts, etc.


I agree with Doug's thoughts here. I'm not too interested in someone's
N-number. I do enjoy seeing newsgroup ID's matched up to planes and people.

Jay. Thank you for taking the time to set this up for the rec.aviation
folks.

It is appreciated :-)

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.

Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:

1. I'd vote against anonymous postings. They are after all a sharing
of our planes with others. I have no real problem not including the
base, but I do think names and states should be included.

I can't think of a valid reason for not posting the information.

1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
do you folks think?

2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

I haven't noticed it slowing, but I'm on ADSL.
Course I lost the page URL and haven't been able to find it again.



3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
participants?

Only if the user says it's OK.
I use specific addresses that get posted like that. Lordy, I even get
spam to the webmaster and support addresses for some sites.
If you want I'll send you a different one than what was on my e-mail.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers


Thanks for your help!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02...
We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02...
We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.

In article , "Dashi"
wrote:

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Yes.

Do you know anyone that has been murdered?

I did. :-(

--
Bob Noel

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02...

snip

2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for
you?
Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Loads fine with DSL, but... if it were my page, I would have pages for each
state represented or by aircraft manufacturer.

Listed by names has already been suggested, but personally, I would rather
look at them by state. That way I can see what my fellow Texas owns.

Jay;
If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Guess he told you --- and everyone else. Imagine everything you've
worked for all your life going down the toilet. Here's how it starts,
and this guy doesn't even do it for a living.

On 13 Dec 2003 00:08:33 -0800, (WAKE UP!!!)
wrote:


-----------------------------------------------
Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.