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The State of the Union: Lies about a Dishonest War



 
 
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Old January 18th 04, 02:34 PM
RobbelothE
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Ted Kennedy. What a hoot! This guy talks a good game but that's about it.

He's a documented adulterer, major league alcoholic, and not much of a driver
(one of his dates never got home alive).

It appears his moral outrage is selective. He now opposes the use of force to
remove a dictator (and his regime) responsible for hundreds of thousands of
murders. Yet, regarding the Balkans, his voting record shows a different moral
stripe:
Voted YES on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo. (May
1999)
Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999).

As Arsenio Hall used to say, "It's enough to make you go 'Hmmmmm.'"

Ed
"The French couldn't hate us any
more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
--Will Rogers



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Old January 18th 04, 04:23 PM
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"Werner J. Severin" wrote:


I may agree with your evaluation of the communicator, but how about the content?


That it doesn't belong on a cooking group, nor crossposted


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Old January 18th 04, 04:25 PM
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Ya know - some day very very soon republican supporters of the demon seed
that is Shrub&Co will understand that he hasn't a ****ing clue what he's
saying!!!

It's scripted people, Shrub is clueless!!!!



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"Werner J. Severin" wrote:


I may agree with your evaluation of the communicator, but how about the

content?

That it doesn't belong on a cooking group, nor crossposted




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Old January 18th 04, 09:03 PM
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:19:12 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

I'm apolitical


OK...

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Old January 19th 04, 02:33 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"None" wrote in message
ink.net...

Put the shoe on the other foot . . . . prove they weren't!


How does one prove a negative? And if I can't prove 10,000 Iraqis weren't
killed by the USA, does that prove that 10,000 Iraqis were killed by the
USA? Does no burden of proof fall on those that claim 10,000 Iraqis were
killed by the USA?

Absolutely not. Nor does any burden fall on you or anyone else who either
claims 10,000 weren't killed, or questions the number.

The underlying fact remains, that be it one, or be it ten thousand killed,
its too many. It is the duty of every American citizen to question it's
government's motives. In the case of the Iraqi overthrow, even you must
admit that there have been many more questions than there have been answers.
It's that lack of answers that leads so many to believe that the overthrow
of the Iraqi government was nothing more than Bush Jr.'s payback for
Hussein's alleged contract hit put out on Bush the Senior. Whether it was
or not, when the answers to such serious questions go unanswered, what
remains is what the majority will subscribe to.

My personal opinion is that, just like the Gulf conflict, of which I was a
part, it was all about the oil and nothing more. The fact remains that
there have been no WMDs found in Iraq, but we overthrew Iraq's government,
ousted it's president, took him into custody, and handed the operation of
it's oil fields over to a Texas corporation. We have no choice but to view
that action for exactly what it looks like.

10,000 is a very high number. Personally, I hope to think it is nowhere
near that number. Statistically, with what our bombs are capable of doing,
and since they were unleashed upon Iraq with a fervor, 10,000 is a distinct
possibility.

But sleep well. We have the oil now. OPEC can go to hell, and the Taliban
has been given a reprieve and ample time to regroup - because simply put,
now that we have the oil, we've lost our focus.

Greed my friend, not only starts wars, but causes the combatants to loose
focus with historical accuracy.


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Old January 19th 04, 03:11 PM
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"None" wrote in message
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Absolutely not. Nor does any burden fall on you or anyone else who either
claims 10,000 weren't killed, or questions the number.


Wrong. The burden of proof always falls on those making the claim. In this
case, "Nobody" has claimed 10,000 Iraqis have been killed by the USA, so the
burden of proof falls on "Nobody" to support that claim.


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Old January 19th 04, 04:41 PM
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Arming Iraq and the Path to War

A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no
exception. Below are some relevant dates.

September,1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. (8)

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan
removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. (1)

December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. (9)

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for
Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for
air strikes and bomb damage assessments. (4)

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would
do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its
war with Iran. (1) (15)

November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in
Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq,
with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased
computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments,
special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods
for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.
(14)

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing
Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States
weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These
shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. (16)

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given
intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical
weapons against the Iranians. (1)

December 20, 1983 Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense
Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and
materials support. (1) (15)

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate
its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. (19)

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States
shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items
are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and
communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a
military application. (2)

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security
Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on
March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security
Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. (10)

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports
to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of
lethal strains of anthrax. (3)

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade
botulin poison to Iraq. (7)

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower
Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages.
Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in
Nicaragua. (17)

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against
Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. (1)

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the
Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against
the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200
Kurdish villages. (8)

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals
used in manufacture of mustard gas. (7)

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988,
in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to
defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas
are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily
involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence
gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of
the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of
chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925.
(6) (13)

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. (8)

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his
planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical
attacks against the Kurds. (8)

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons
grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. (7)

September 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The
US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and
economic objectives." (15)

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq
despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. (1)

July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him
that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe
this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded
Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. (12)

August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. (8)

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical
company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a
special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians.
(11)

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale
del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the
purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony.
Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any
knowledge of his crime. (14)

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming
increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the
scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the
financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into
[an aggressive power]." (5)

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently,
helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi
military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the
Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses
to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite
ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons."
Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. (18)

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate
Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US
shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may
have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the
cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. (7)

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle
field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We
were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter
Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York
Times. (4)

This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming
of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods
both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most
powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical
and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using
chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and
technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when
it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish
citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning
information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide,
mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of
Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in
this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but
England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms
and technology.

So what do these events have to do with the current conflict? Just this:
If we do go to war with Iraq, it is important to know why. War will not
really be about terrorism. Twenty years ago the United States threw its
support behind Saddam Hussein in a geopolitical bid for enhanced access
to oil. The trajectory given him by our support lead directly to the
Gulf War and to the current crises. War, after all, will be about a
history of misdeeds and miscalculations. And war will not be about
morality. War will be about cynicism, deceit and a thirst for oil that
knows no boundaries.

John King
Long Prairie, MN

1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002
2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91
3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002
4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002
5. ABC Nightline. June9, 1992
6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002
7. Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25,
1994
8. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State
9. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear
10. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002
11. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991
12. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002
13. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com
14. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate
15. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly
Arsenal
16. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992
17. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair
18. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez
19. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15
December, 1986
20. WWW.gendercide.com http://www.gendercide.com . Case Study: The Anfal
Campaign
 




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