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Constant speed props
I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed
prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. |
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In article , GE
wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:30:03 +0000, EDR wrote:
In article , GE wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. Great link! I started reading this article, http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186619-1.html, and have a question. In the Runup section, when he starts to test for proper mag operation, somethings seems odd there. Can someone help explain that? He says, "Are the mags working? The leaner the mixture, the more mag drop you'll see on one mag, and that's normal." He then goes on to say, "The EGTs should rise on the first single-mag operation, stay there for the second, then drop again on the return to BOTH. That rise is proof-positive the entire ignition system is working, and working well, and the leaner the mixture, the more diagnostic it is." Can someone help explain the supporting logic there? If both mags are working properly and you switch to a single mag, why would the EGT go up? After all, in theory, you're producing less spark and thusly, a slightly less effecient ignition of the fuel/air. I would of thought that EGT would stay the same or go down *just slightly* when running off of one mag. Likewise, if one mag is not working, I would fully expect to see a big EGT drop for the given problematic mag, which he does agree with. But, he further asserts that, "If any of them fail to rise or even drop during single-mag operation, there is a problem with that plug, the wire, or the mag." So, why would running on one mag, versus two, always cause higher EGTs? And why would no rise in EGT indicate a bad mag, wire or plug? Anyone? P.S. I cross posted because this seems like good student pilot material too. |
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"Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:30:03 +0000, EDR wrote: In article , GE wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. Great link! I started reading this article, http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186619-1.html, and have a question. In the Runup section, when he starts to test for proper mag operation, somethings seems odd there. Can someone help explain that? He says, "Are the mags working? The leaner the mixture, the more mag drop you'll see on one mag, and that's normal." He then goes on to say, "The EGTs should rise on the first single-mag operation, stay there for the second, then drop again on the return to BOTH. That rise is proof-positive the entire ignition system is working, and working well, and the leaner the mixture, the more diagnostic it is." Can someone help explain the supporting logic there? If both mags are working properly and you switch to a single mag, why would the EGT go up? After all, in theory, you're producing less spark and thusly, a slightly less effecient ignition of the fuel/air. I would of thought that EGT would stay the same or go down *just slightly* when running off of one mag. Likewise, if one mag is not working, I would fully expect to see a big EGT drop for the given problematic mag, which he does agree with. But, he further asserts that, "If any of them fail to rise or even drop during single-mag operation, there is a problem with that plug, the wire, or the mag." So, why would running on one mag, versus two, always cause higher EGTs? And why would no rise in EGT indicate a bad mag, wire or plug? Anyone? P.S. I cross posted because this seems like good student pilot material too. The key is that with two plugs, the combustion _in the cylinder_ is more complete, earlier. When one mag cuts, the fuel air mixture still fully burns, but the burn is continued slightly latter (where it does less work on the piston). This results in the gas coming out of the exhaust being a little hotter (in some cases, it may even be still burning). Best Wishes |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:41:32 +0100, Roger Hamlett wrote:
"Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:30:03 +0000, EDR wrote: In article , GE wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. Great link! I started reading this article, http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186619-1.html, and have a question. In the Runup section, when he starts to test for proper mag operation, somethings seems odd there. Can someone help explain that? He says, "Are the mags working? The leaner the mixture, the more mag drop you'll see on one mag, and that's normal." He then goes on to say, "The EGTs should rise on the first single-mag operation, stay there for the second, then drop again on the return to BOTH. That rise is proof-positive the entire ignition system is working, and working well, and the leaner the mixture, the more diagnostic it is." Can someone help explain the supporting logic there? If both mags are working properly and you switch to a single mag, why would the EGT go up? After all, in theory, you're producing less spark and thusly, a slightly less effecient ignition of the fuel/air. I would of thought that EGT would stay the same or go down *just slightly* when running off of one mag. Likewise, if one mag is not working, I would fully expect to see a big EGT drop for the given problematic mag, which he does agree with. But, he further asserts that, "If any of them fail to rise or even drop during single-mag operation, there is a problem with that plug, the wire, or the mag." So, why would running on one mag, versus two, always cause higher EGTs? And why would no rise in EGT indicate a bad mag, wire or plug? Anyone? P.S. I cross posted because this seems like good student pilot material too. The key is that with two plugs, the combustion _in the cylinder_ is more complete, earlier. When one mag cuts, the fuel air mixture still fully burns, but the burn is continued slightly latter (where it does less work on the piston). This results in the gas coming out of the exhaust being a little hotter (in some cases, it may even be still burning). Best Wishes Makes perfect sense! Thanks! |
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The key is that with two plugs, the combustion _in the cylinder_ is more
complete, earlier. When one mag cuts, the fuel air mixture still fully burns, but the burn is continued slightly latter (where it does less work on I can confirm that an engine running on one mag will show a higher EGT than on both mags. I went through the preflight, run-up, took off and during full-power climbout, I noticed a significantly higher EGT than I was used to. Startled me until I discovered that in the pre-takeoff mag check I had left the mag switch on only one mag - I took off and was climbing on a single mag. Duh! Switching to both mags brought the EGT back down to normal. |
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I don't wish to sound like a smartass here, but what's your problem with
getting a full checkout in this airplane from a competent pilot current in the aircraft? It sounds like you might benefit from a bit of complex training here!!! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt "Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:30:03 +0000, EDR wrote: In article , GE wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. Great link! I started reading this article, http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186619-1.html, and have a question. In the Runup section, when he starts to test for proper mag operation, somethings seems odd there. Can someone help explain that? He says, "Are the mags working? The leaner the mixture, the more mag drop you'll see on one mag, and that's normal." He then goes on to say, "The EGTs should rise on the first single-mag operation, stay there for the second, then drop again on the return to BOTH. That rise is proof-positive the entire ignition system is working, and working well, and the leaner the mixture, the more diagnostic it is." Can someone help explain the supporting logic there? If both mags are working properly and you switch to a single mag, why would the EGT go up? After all, in theory, you're producing less spark and thusly, a slightly less effecient ignition of the fuel/air. I would of thought that EGT would stay the same or go down *just slightly* when running off of one mag. Likewise, if one mag is not working, I would fully expect to see a big EGT drop for the given problematic mag, which he does agree with. But, he further asserts that, "If any of them fail to rise or even drop during single-mag operation, there is a problem with that plug, the wire, or the mag." So, why would running on one mag, versus two, always cause higher EGTs? And why would no rise in EGT indicate a bad mag, wire or plug? Anyone? P.S. I cross posted because this seems like good student pilot material too. |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:08:47 +0000, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I don't wish to sound like a smartass here, but what's your problem with getting a full checkout in this airplane from a competent pilot current in the aircraft? It sounds like you might benefit from a bit of complex training here!!! Dudley Henriques I wondered the same thing, but you're replying to the wrong person. I'm a student and GE posted the original question. Cheers! |
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I caught that right after I posted it :-) I had cleaned out OE last
night back to four days old and missed the pickup. Thought I had deleted this but obviously it didn't work! Anyway.....it looks to me like the IP needs a complete checkout in this airplane before flying it. His questions just seem way out of line for someone taking delivery of an airplane they are rated and competent to fly! Sorry about the mispost :-) DH "Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:08:47 +0000, Dudley Henriques wrote: I don't wish to sound like a smartass here, but what's your problem with getting a full checkout in this airplane from a competent pilot current in the aircraft? It sounds like you might benefit from a bit of complex training here!!! Dudley Henriques I wondered the same thing, but you're replying to the wrong person. I'm a student and GE posted the original question. Cheers! |
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Thanks for your reply, as well as the debate on my actual intentions. "Get
with my instructor" was implying that I will be getting the proper training in this aircraft from a qualified CFI. I simply wanted to increase my knowledge prior to that instruction. "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ink.net... I don't wish to sound like a smartass here, but what's your problem with getting a full checkout in this airplane from a competent pilot current in the aircraft? It sounds like you might benefit from a bit of complex training here!!! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt "Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:30:03 +0000, EDR wrote: In article , GE wrote: I'm taking delivery today of my first aircraft and it had a constant speed prop. I have only flown fixed props thus far. I want to have as much understanding of the c-s prop as possible before I get with my instructor. I understand the basic difference in what the controls do, but I don't really have a good understanding of the hows and whys of flying with them. Any general information, explanations, and tips would be greatly appreciated. Go to www.avweb.com on the left side of the screen, select COLUMNS scroll down to find THE PELICAN"S PERCH there are articles on fuel injection, manifold pressure, constant speed props, leaning, etc Everything you ever want to know about operating a high performance aircraft engine is in those articles. Great link! I started reading this article, http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/186619-1.html, and have a question. In the Runup section, when he starts to test for proper mag operation, somethings seems odd there. Can someone help explain that? He says, "Are the mags working? The leaner the mixture, the more mag drop you'll see on one mag, and that's normal." He then goes on to say, "The EGTs should rise on the first single-mag operation, stay there for the second, then drop again on the return to BOTH. That rise is proof-positive the entire ignition system is working, and working well, and the leaner the mixture, the more diagnostic it is." Can someone help explain the supporting logic there? If both mags are working properly and you switch to a single mag, why would the EGT go up? After all, in theory, you're producing less spark and thusly, a slightly less effecient ignition of the fuel/air. I would of thought that EGT would stay the same or go down *just slightly* when running off of one mag. Likewise, if one mag is not working, I would fully expect to see a big EGT drop for the given problematic mag, which he does agree with. But, he further asserts that, "If any of them fail to rise or even drop during single-mag operation, there is a problem with that plug, the wire, or the mag." So, why would running on one mag, versus two, always cause higher EGTs? And why would no rise in EGT indicate a bad mag, wire or plug? Anyone? P.S. I cross posted because this seems like good student pilot material too. |
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