Jobs for pilots wtih CP + IR?

Robert M. Gary wrote:
No, not strickly speaking. Actual CAP missions are paid 100% by the
AirForce. However, they often run out of money for training so you may
end up spending money getting checked out in the plane, etc. However,
when you get paged asking if you can fly a Search and Rescue mission,
if you have a commercial ticket, its 100% paid for. You can also get
free flying time moving planes from place to place for missions as well
as giving orientation rides to cadets (although those seem to run out
of money pretty quick).

-Robert


I guess this doesn't apply to me, but out of curiosity - if you don't
have a commercial, you have to pay to fly missions?

Unless the FAA regs have changed, CAP has an exemption that allows their
to be reimbursed for the CAP missions. Note, I didn't say "paid" (as in
a paycheck), but reimbursed for the costs. See CAPR 60-1 for details.

Chris

Rachel wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

No, not strickly speaking. Actual CAP missions are paid 100% by the
AirForce. However, they often run out of money for training so you may
end up spending money getting checked out in the plane, etc. However,
when you get paged asking if you can fly a Search and Rescue mission,
if you have a commercial ticket, its 100% paid for. You can also get
free flying time moving planes from place to place for missions as well
as giving orientation rides to cadets (although those seem to run out
of money pretty quick).

-Robert


I guess this doesn't apply to me, but out of curiosity - if you don't
have a commercial, you have to pay to fly missions?

"And that is why I'm happily pushing paper as a non-wrenching A&P while

most of my friends are living 8 to an apartment and flying CRJ's.
Maybe
I don't have a severe enough case of the flying disease, I don't
know... "

I left commuter flying 10 years ago when I went for a ground job
(dispatcher) for financial survival. Are commuter pilots still making
next to nothing today still? Even with those nice new CRJ's ??

wrote:
"And that is why I'm happily pushing paper as a non-wrenching A&P while

most of my friends are living 8 to an apartment and flying CRJ's.
Maybe
I don't have a severe enough case of the flying disease, I don't
know... "

I left commuter flying 10 years ago when I went for a ground job
(dispatcher) for financial survival. Are commuter pilots still making
next to nothing today still? Even with those nice new CRJ's ??

I have a friend who is a captain (can't remember which airline right
now) and is making somewhere around $40,000, which isn't too bad. The
other guys I know who are flying right seat in turboprops are making
$17,000-$22,000. I don't know if that's next to nothing, but I know I'd
have to give up a lot on that kind of money.

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but
a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually
and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary.
Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more hours and
extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or
plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Rachel" wrote in message
. ..
| wrote:
| "And that is why I'm happily pushing paper as a
non-wrenching A&P while
|
| most of my friends are living 8 to an apartment and
flying CRJ's.
| Maybe
| I don't have a severe enough case of the flying disease,
I don't
| know... "
|
| I left commuter flying 10 years ago when I went for a
ground job
| (dispatcher) for financial survival. Are commuter
pilots still making
| next to nothing today still? Even with those nice new
CRJ's ??
|
| I have a friend who is a captain (can't remember which
airline right
| now) and is making somewhere around $40,000, which isn't
too bad. The
| other guys I know who are flying right seat in turboprops
are making
| $17,000-$22,000. I don't know if that's next to nothing,
but I know I'd
| have to give up a lot on that kind of money.

Jim Macklin wrote:
Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but
a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually
and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary.
Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more hours and
extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or
plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend
is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he just upgraded
(why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are
just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't
take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money to make a
career out of it.

Rachel wrote:

Jim Macklin wrote:

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain
for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and a co-pilot
about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay
more but require more hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at
the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper wage, but damn
it is so much fun to fly.


LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend
is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he just upgraded
(why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are
just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't
take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money to make a
career out of it.

My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month (early 70s). It
was a right seat job and required loading / unloading cargo five + days
or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours but there was
little joy flying that way.

My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his hours that way.
After a successful airline career, he retired.

Inflation since the 70's makes $800 equal about $2,000
today.


"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
...
| Rachel wrote:
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will
vary, but a Captain
| for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and
a co-pilot
| about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs
may even pay
| more but require more hours and extra certificates such
as A&P.
|
| Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper
or plastic" at
| the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper
wage, but damn
| it is so much fun to fly.
|
|
| LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that
my captain friend
| is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he
just upgraded
| (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know
making 20K are
| just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.
|
| And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate
that most don't
| take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money
to make a
| career out of it.
|
| My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month
(early 70s). It
| was a right seat job and required loading / unloading
cargo five + days
| or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours
but there was
| little joy flying that way.
|
| My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his
hours that way.
| After a successful airline career, he retired.
|

I would not do that job for $2000 / month even if it meant flying. The
flying part did not offset the awful working conditions.


Jim Macklin wrote:
Inflation since the 70's makes $800 equal about $2,000
today.


"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
...
| Rachel wrote:
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will
vary, but a Captain
| for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and
a co-pilot
| about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs
may even pay
| more but require more hours and extra certificates such
as A&P.
|
| Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper
or plastic" at
| the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper
wage, but damn
| it is so much fun to fly.
|
|
| LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that
my captain friend
| is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he
just upgraded
| (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know
making 20K are
| just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.
|
| And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate
that most don't
| take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money
to make a
| career out of it.
|
| My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month
(early 70s). It
| was a right seat job and required loading / unloading
cargo five + days
| or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours
but there was
| little joy flying that way.
|
| My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his
hours that way.
| After a successful airline career, he retired.
|

("Rachel" wrote)
I have a friend who is a captain (can't remember which airline right
now) and is making somewhere around $40,000, which isn't too bad. The
other guys I know who are flying right seat in turboprops are making
$17,000-$22,000. I don't know if that's next to nothing, but I know I'd
have to give up a lot on that kind of money.


40 hours/week x 50 weeks (the extra 2 weeks are ...extra)

= 2,000 hrs/yr at $1.00/hr ....$2k
= 2,000 hrs/yr at $0.50/hr ....$1k

So, every 50 cents is 1,000 bucks of yearly salary.

(roughly)
$17k ...= $8.50/hr
$20k ...= $10/hr
$22k ...= $11/hr
$40k ...= $20/hr at 40 hrs/week

Or the other way around (approx)
$25/hr ...= $50k
$17/hr ...= $34k
$6/hr ..... = $12k
$5/hr ..... = $10k per year

The extra 2 weeks out of the year are gravy :-)


Montblack