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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Grand Mal writes: I think we can safely assume you're an idiot. And a vile bigot. Who else would turn a minor accident at an airport into a racial slur? Turks belong to the same race as Europeans, so race has nothing to do with it. Not quite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic...Turkish_people -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
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Mxsmanic wrote: Grand Mal writes: I think we can safely assume you're an idiot. And a vile bigot. Who else would turn a minor accident at an airport into a racial slur? Turks belong to the same race as Europeans, so race has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the aviation safety record for Turkey is abysmal, about ten times worse than average for European airlines (if you consider Turkey part of Europe--which I do not). I've read the several recent posts critical of Turkey's politics and its aviation safety record, and think there's some significant point to most of them (except the racial slur one, which _was_ a racial slur). But let me also tell you: The prestigious US university EE Dept from which I'm retired gets a fair number of its PhD grad students from Turkey; I've known a fair number of them well (though never actually had one as a PhD student of mine); they're superb students technically (they have to be, to get into this program), and they are also superb individuals on a purely personal basis. I just visited the ETH in Zurich (the top technical university in Switzerland and among the top such schools in Europe), where I spent time with one of these graduates of ours, who was recruited there (away from a post at a good US university); has built a large and excellent program there; and has since received tenure at a very early age. We'd better find a way to help Turkey itself also move up into the Western world, and not sink back down into the Middle Eastern. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... ------------some snipped--------- The fact is, the aviation safety record for Turkey is abysmal, about ten times worse than average for European airlines (if you consider Turkey part of Europe--which I do not). At the risk of flagellating a deceased equine, you really are a bit of a jerk. |
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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
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But let me also tell you: The prestigious US university EE Dept from which I'm retired gets a fair number of its PhD grad students from Turkey; I've known a fair number of them well (though never actually had one as a PhD student of mine); they're superb students technically (they have to be, to get into this program), and they are also superb individuals on a purely personal basis. Pilots do not generally have doctorates. Different population, different culture. We'd better find a way to help Turkey itself also move up into the Western world, and not sink back down into the Middle Eastern. Turkey needs to solve its own problems, like every other country. If they are indeed fundamentally competent, then they don't need help. Their culture is apparently more linked to the Middle East than Europe, which is bad for development and advancement into the 20th (and eventually the 21st) century. |
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writes: Not quite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic...Turkish_people Be that as it may, genetics and race have nothing to do with the incompetence of Turkish aviation. It's cultural. Do you have something to back up this statement or are you just pulling it out of your ass? -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Grand Mal writes: I think we can safely assume you're an idiot. And a vile bigot. Who else would turn a minor accident at an airport into a racial slur? Turks belong to the same race as Europeans, so race has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the aviation safety record for Turkey is abysmal, about ten times worse than average for European airlines (if you consider Turkey part of Europe--which I do not). Turks are Europeans but Turkey isn't part of Europe. If it was the fault of the pilot, what if he turns out to be an Englishman? Or American? And how poor does a safety record need to be before a French airport won't allow you to use their facility? |
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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
On Jul 11, 11:21*am, "Grand Mal" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Grand Mal writes: I think we can safely assume you're an idiot. And a vile bigot. Who else would turn a minor accident at an airport into a racial slur? Turks belong to the same race as Europeans, so race has nothing to do with it. The fact is, the aviation safety record for Turkey is abysmal, about ten times worse than average for European airlines (if you consider Turkey part of Europe--which I do not). Turks are Europeans but Turkey isn't part of Europe. If it was the fault of the pilot, what if he turns out to be an Englishman? Or American? And how poor does a safety record need to be before a French airport won't allow you to use their facility? One would expect the ground crew to be French nationals, but perhaps trained to Turkish standards. Are people who hand direct airplanes or use tugs certified in any way? I have not seen anything 'official' regarding the causes of this accident, but it has certainly exposed bigotry and bias on the news group, hasn't it? |
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Airplane tears off winglet on jet bridge
Grand Mal writes:
Turks are Europeans but Turkey isn't part of Europe. If it was the fault of the pilot, what if he turns out to be an Englishman? He's still working for a Turkish airline, and the problem is in the management of the airline and the culture of aviation, not in individual pilots. An incompetent airline could hire incompetent English pilots just as easily as it could hire incompetent Turkish pilots. Or American? And how poor does a safety record need to be before a French airport won't allow you to use their facility? I believe French airports largely go with the European Union, which has banned quite a number of airlines, including most African airlines and some airlines in Asia. |
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