ARE RAMP CHECKS RAMPING UP?

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:07:35 -0600, Cal Vanize
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Mike Weller wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:


Dave Stadt wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
m...


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:



Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?


Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Mike Weller


I'm STILL trying to figure out what "line" was crossed and what the
chewing was all about.



And I'm just STILL trying to say that "there is no line".

My point is just that flying is a FUZZY thing.

Mike Weller

They would both make interesting intersection's names,

"STILL" and "FUZZY"

You were there?

I wasn't there, but I took the thirty seconds to actually read the
post. Consider how far they taxied from the runway, including the
cornering. Unless the airplane was equipped with unobtainium
frictionless wheel bearings and some sort of magical shield that gets
rid of all drag, they'd have to be coasting along far faster than is
considered a safe taxi speed for much of their taxi. Read the post
again if you have a chance and try to replicate the distance (with
corners) in your own plane and let me know how well it went.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:57:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
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I've seen a lot of people asking WHY this was something they'd get in
trouble for, and I think I have an answer. First, from Mike Weller's
post:

Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Take a look at the distance involved. To coast from the runway, around
that corner and all the way to the pump, they spent most of the taxi at
well above brisk walking speeds. Unsafe taxiing speeds can do a lot of
damage and pose a risk to anyone walking around there, especially with
the engine off.

Additionally, if they taxi past a bunch of planes and lose a tire at 40
mph or so, how well do you think they'll be able to avoid smacking into
the parked aircraft?

So, in summary: They were taxiing way too fast.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

You were there?


I was!

Mike Weller

"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
You were there?

I wasn't there, but I took the thirty seconds to actually read the
post. Consider how far they taxied from the runway, including the
cornering. Unless the airplane was equipped with unobtainium
frictionless wheel bearings and some sort of magical shield that gets
rid of all drag, they'd have to be coasting along far faster than is
considered a safe taxi speed for much of their taxi. Read the post
again if you have a chance and try to replicate the distance (with
corners) in your own plane and let me know how well it went.

Ben Hallert

I gotta go along with Mike and Ben. Even if Mike exagerrated by doubling the
real distances, the PIC deserved to get his knuckles rapped for going to
fast on the yellow line. If you are having trouble visualizing the distance,
try remembering the typical running track around a school football field --
that's a quarter-mile. Admittedly, I wasn't there either but it dang sure
sounds like a Darwin Award stunt.

Casey Wilson

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:07:35 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:



Mike Weller wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:


Dave Stadt wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
om...


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:



Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the
FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember
doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling
up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense.
I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?


Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Mike Weller


I'm STILL trying to figure out what "line" was crossed and what the
chewing was all about.



And I'm just STILL trying to say that "there is no line".

My point is just that flying is a FUZZY thing.

Mike Weller

They would both make interesting intersection's names,

"STILL" and "FUZZY"


First you said they crossed some "line" and now you say there is no "line."
If they crossed a "line" what is the "line?" Of on the other hand there is
no "line," as you now say, what did they do wrong. What exactly is "fuzzy"
about flying. I fly quite a bit and haven't noticed the "fuzzy" part.

I have never had any problems during any of the times I have been ramp
checked.
If you have your photo identification, medical, pilot license and the
aircraft is in order, you should have no problems. (If you have your
log books with you, keep it out of sight.) You do not need to show
them your log book or aircraft logs. Student pilots must have their
log book with them.
Turn the inspection into a learning situation. Most inspectors will be
happy to explain what they are looking for during the inspection.

Exactly!
I got ramp checked as a student preparing for a solo flight in the pattern
nearly 2 and half years ago. He was polite, efficient and helpful. He
asked for: Photo ID, License and medical and nothing more. Until I said I
was a student pilot and then it changed to photo ID, medical and logbook
(Just show it to me, don't open it). Then he asked if I was going on a
cross country or local flight. That's when he looked at the back of my
medical and asked if there was an endorsement in my logbook and if I could
show it to him. He even told me to find it and open it to that page only.
The book was never in his hands. He thanked me and ordered me to enjoy my
flight! He did say that if it was a cross country he would've wanted to see
the endorsement for the flight and nothing more. I figure he was just doing
his job, as he was sent over by someone else.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Clay" wrote in message
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I have never had any problems during any of the times I have been ramp
checked.
If you have your photo identification, medical, pilot license and the
aircraft is in order, you should have no problems. (If you have your
log books with you, keep it out of sight.) You do not need to show
them your log book or aircraft logs. Student pilots must have their
log book with them.
Turn the inspection into a learning situation. Most inspectors will be
happy to explain what they are looking for during the inspection.

"Chris Ehlbeck" wrote in message ...
I figure he was just doing his job, as he was sent over by someone else.

Yeah, they used that excuse at Nuremburg... It didn't fly there either...

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"Chris Ehlbeck" wrote in message
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I figure he was just doing his job, as he was sent over by someone else.

Yeah, they used that excuse at Nuremburg... It didn't fly there either...

And Godwin finishes up yet another Usenet thread.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:57:31 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
. ..
"Chris Ehlbeck" wrote in message
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I figure he was just doing his job, as he was sent over by someone else.

Yeah, they used that excuse at Nuremburg... It didn't fly there either...

And Godwin finishes up yet another Usenet thread.


That's exactly what I was thinking.

What's the other route it could have taken? Abortion?

Mike Weller