gear up landing: "There are those who have, and..."

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

-c

gatt ) wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

Now that I am flying a retractable-gear aircraft, I have decided to give
my "those who will do so" card to that pilot.

Now, this saying goes, "There are those who will do so multiple times,
and those who donated their moment to these few."


--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

gatt ) wrote:


"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

It wasn't a P-51, was it?

pickle ) wrote:

Peter R. wrote:

gatt ) wrote:


"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

It wasn't a P-51, was it?

No, it was a retractable Cessna single engine, most likely a 210.

--
Peter

My father, who had many hours in 57 different types (see
http://users.erols.com/viewptmd/Dad.html), finally did it well after getting
out of the Air Force, in his Mooney M-18 ("Mite"). It's a tiny little
airplane, but typical of Mooneys, retractible and fast. As the plane
settled past where it should have gone "chirp" he had that sinking, oh ****!
moment. Fortunately, with a wooden prop there was little damage except to
the prop, his ego and the paint on the bottom. I don't even think they tore
down the engine. OTOH, he was really embarrassed. He'd always assumed
those things only happened to other, poorer pilots. Since I'm not complex
rated, I doubt that I'll ever have the chance to do it. Still...

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"gatt" wrote in message
...

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with
this.

Thoughts?

-c

I haven't and probably won't - only because I've never flown a retract
and probably never will. I've done plenty to make up for it though.
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

gatt wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

One of the AOPA Pilot writers put it very well. He wrote that, if this statement
were actually true, the best thing for someone transitioning to retractable gear
would be to do a gear-up landing immediately and get it over with.

George Patterson
He who marries for money earns every penny of it.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
...


gatt wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with
this.

Thoughts?

One of the AOPA Pilot writers put it very well. He wrote that, if this
statement
were actually true, the best thing for someone transitioning to
retractable gear
would be to do a gear-up landing immediately and get it over with.

George Patterson
He who marries for money earns every penny of it.

If you use a written checklist EVERY time and form the habit of doing a
safety check on final EVERY time this should never happen.

I have caught a failure of the gear to lower on a final safety check which
proves the necessity for the safety check. (The instructor had pulled the
gear lowering circuit breaker and I had not looked back when doing the GUMPS
check to check the light. I had also failed to look out the window and ask
the instructor to verify that the right hand gear was down.) That is what
the final safety check is for.

Has anyone heard of an accidental gear up landing during a part 135
operation? I believe the PTS requirement for the Commercial Checkride of
using an appropriate check list helps prevent this problem. Also there is -
at least in a 172RG - a gear up warning horn.



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In every complex aircraft I've been in, there is a gear warning horn.
Most of them (Cessna) are set to sound when the manifold or RPM drops
beyond a certain point. Makes certain manuovers a bit noisy at
altitude.

And I've heard of an "accidental" gear up landing involving a part 12*
carrier!

And then there is the goofy light problem. If you get two greens, now
what do you do?

I was told, if possible, pull one of the lights that is working and put
it in the one that isn't lit and see if it lights (this is for
locations where no one is on the ground to tell you if you have three
down -- but how would they know it isn't locked?).
Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

And then there is the goofy light problem. If you get two greens, now
what do you do?

I was told, if possible, pull one of the lights that is working and put
it in the one that isn't lit and see if it lights (this is for
locations where no one is on the ground to tell you if you have three
down -- but how would they know it isn't locked?).

I had that happen to me in an Arrow, and I was single pilot.. no pax.. and
the auto pilot was kaput.. I could not get my phat phingers around the
green lens cover to pop the bulb and move it... so it was back to the FBO..
a pass down the runway.. "well.. it looks ok.."... and the most ginger of
landings ever made... almost testing the gear while still maintaining flying
speed incase it crumped.. (right main light was out)... but that's what
5500ft runways are for

it was a light bulb problem... and no "press to test" for the bulbs..

BT