gear up landing: "There are those who have, and..."

actually.. there are three groups... and you are always in one of the
three... hopefully you always remain in group 1 and never transition to
group 2 which holds dual citizenship with group 3

1) There are those that will..
2) There are those that have..
3) There are those that will again..

BT
(and doing that Gumps check to hopefully remain in Group1)


"gatt" wrote in message
...

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with
this.

Thoughts?

-c

" wrote:


I've seen gear-ups performed by retractable newbies
and 10,000+ hr. pilots. A combination of distractions at the right
time can sink the best of them. When I based at PHX, I once watched a
commercial 737 come down short final with the gear up. They were
coming back around for the second time after going around for traffic
on the runway. While on the go around, they reported a problem with an
engine indicator. It distracted them enough that they missed putting
the gear down. Fortunately, the tower caught it and let them know and
they went around again.

John Deakin wrote a good article on this subject on Avweb, about
almost landing a 747 gear up.
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/188536-1.html
I also read an investigation report about someone almost doing it in a
Learjet on a check flight. They went around when they felt the VHF
antenna drag on the runway!
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=220
The PIC (the instructor) is listed as having 17000 hours, 3000 on
type.

And then there is the goofy light problem. If you get two greens, now
what do you do?

I was told, if possible, pull one of the lights that is working and put
it in the one that isn't lit and see if it lights (this is for
locations where no one is on the ground to tell you if you have three
down -- but how would they know it isn't locked?).

I had that happen to me in an Arrow, and I was single pilot.. no pax.. and
the auto pilot was kaput.. I could not get my phat phingers around the
green lens cover to pop the bulb and move it... so it was back to the FBO..
a pass down the runway.. "well.. it looks ok.."... and the most ginger of
landings ever made... almost testing the gear while still maintaining flying
speed incase it crumped.. (right main light was out)... but that's what
5500ft runways are for

it was a light bulb problem... and no "press to test" for the bulbs..

BT

I've made hundredes of gear up landings...all of them intentional.


Of course they were on water in an amphibian!!!!ggg
Nearly got suckered into a gear up landing with a Twin Beech. Short
final behind a Cessna. Just as I was about to declare a "go around" the
Cessna landed short and taxied off the runway. I was headed for the far
end of a 6000' runway and was cleared to land. I had already cycled the
gear UP and flaps to take-off and had added power when the tower
cleared me to land. I immediately reduced power and only my usual
"short final" check of gear, props, mixture saved us from getting that
sinking feeling and the terrible noise that follows. I still followed
through with an orderly go-around and thought about how the events
could have caused a gear up landing. Simply reinforced my routine last
check on short final to insure gear down and welded or three green.
Ol S&B

In article ,
"gatt" wrote:

"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?

-c

That's what they used to say about ground looping a tail dragger.

Your instructor's point seems far less apt.

--
Ron Parsons

Peter R. wrote:

gatt ) wrote:


"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

It wasn't a P-51, was it?

pickle ) wrote:

Peter R. wrote:

gatt ) wrote:


"...those who will forgot to lower their landing gear."

Was told this by a guest instructor. I'm not at all comfortable with this.

Thoughts?


I first started my flight training back in 1989 at Waterbury/Oxford,
Connecticut. Based at that airport was an aircraft whose owner landed
not once, but twice without extending his gear.

It wasn't a P-51, was it?

No, it was a retractable Cessna single engine, most likely a 210.

--
Peter