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General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly
given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September 2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol." When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his Senate office. Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public, Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago. Come to think of it, if he continues to posture as a war hero, he'll lose the friendship of Ramsey Clark, Angela Davis, and the Daily World. |
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On 30 Jan 2004 22:40:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry From: "S. Sampson" Date: 1/30/04 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03 When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his Senate office. Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public, Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago. And just what were your war exploits? Anything? What he did in combat no one denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result. And where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry?. Arthur Kramer Well, Art, I think my military achievements qualify me to speak, and I agree fully with General Patton's estimation of the honor and integrity of Senator Kerry. The simple hypocrisy of the medal throwing incident, using someone else's medals, followed by the prominent display of the awards in his office for political expediency reduces the man in my mind. And, I might add that several hundred military aviators from the period that I regularly correspond with in an email listserv, AF, Navy, Marine and Army, are united in their disdain for the Senator. The former POWs in the group in particular are bothered by the acts of Senator Kerry. As for the possession of the awards in the first place, we might wish to recall that LBJ had a Silver Star as well, although his was won for being a passenger on a mission in the combat zone, not necessarily a combat mission. And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty days--it's a puzzlement. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: Ed Rasimus Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty days--it's a puzzlement. I don't believe a word of it. Do you? And are you saying that every silver star ever awarded is now null and void? Or only those awarded to members of opposite political parties? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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On 30 Jan 2004 23:13:58 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry From: Ed Rasimus Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty days--it's a puzzlement. I don't believe a word of it. Do you? And are you saying that every silver star ever awarded is now null and void? Or only those awarded to members of opposite political parties? Unfortunately I do believe a word of it. The sources that I read seemed pretty well documented. And, I don't say that every Silver Star awarded is null and void. I will, however, say that I know of a lot of decorations that were not earned. The issue with Kerry, as Patton and others have noted, is that he was overly eager to shed his uniform, join the anti-war movement while hundreds of thousands of his brothers-in-arms were still in battle, undermining their support very publicly, allying himself with the likes of jane fonda, discarding his medals (oops, someone else's medals) and now, when it suits his somewhat flexible politics, recloaking himself in the mantle of a hero. FWIW, mine haven't been thrown over any fences and they aren't on any public office walls. They are in a drawer, but still valued. Probably like yours. And, I've kept faith with my comrades. Further, I really don't like Senator Kerry's comments regarding the President and his qualifications to welcome home the troops he commands by flying aboard a carrier. George W. Bush was both a commissioned officer (like Kerry) and a fully qualified AF fighter pilot (unlike Kerry.) No president we've ever had is more qualified to don the Nomex and carry a helmet. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry From: Ed Rasimus Date: 1/30/04 2:52 PM Pacific Standard Time And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty days--it's a puzzlement. I don't believe a word of it. Little surprise there. Do you? He wrote it, didn't he? And are you saying that every silver star ever awarded is now null and void? No, he is merely pointing out the obvious fact that not *every* Silver Star was evidence of heroism, and his example of LBJ is an appropriate one in this case. The curious nature of those Purple Hearts received with reportedly no absence from duty does make his awards situation questionable. Or only those awarded to members of opposite political parties? I suspect Ed would be equally disgusted if a Republican had behaved in the manner in which Kerry has in regards to his self-serving maneuvers (i.e., tossing what he now claims were someone else's medals over the fence in a well publisized protest event, then displaying his medals and braying about his military expertise). Before you accuse Ed of subverting his notions of integrity based upon his alleged political affiliation, you might care to glance in a mirror and ask yourself that same question. And BTW, what happened to your recent one-man campaign against off-topic/political posting? Rather short "battle" you fought there, eh? Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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From: Ed Rasimus
On 30 Jan 2004 22:40:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote: Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry From: "S. Sampson" Date: 1/30/04 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03 When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his Senate office. Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public, Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago. And just what were your war exploits? Anything? What he did in combat no one denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result. And where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry?. Arthur Kramer Well, Art, I think my military achievements qualify me to speak, and I agree fully with General Patton's estimation of the honor and integrity of Senator Kerry. The simple hypocrisy of the medal throwing incident, using someone else's medals, followed by the prominent display of the awards in his office for political expediency reduces the man in my mind. And, I might add that several hundred military aviators from the period that I regularly correspond with in an email listserv, AF, Navy, Marine and Army, are united in their disdain for the Senator. The former POWs in the group in particular are bothered by the acts of Senator Kerry. As for the possession of the awards in the first place, we might wish to recall that LBJ had a Silver Star as well, although his was won for being a passenger on a mission in the combat zone, not necessarily a combat mission. And Lt. Kerry's three Purple Hearts, it has been reported in a number of sources recently resulted in no missed duty days--it's a puzzlement. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 I agree Kerry stabbed us in the back. As for missed duty for purple hearts I lost no duty for my first purple heart. Then again I didn't think anyone put me in for one. First and second degree burns don't always result in being taken out of action. I just spent the next two days being reminded by the pain just how stupid I was. Johnson didn't earn that silver star in my opinion. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired |
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Didn't Patton die in 1945??
Making all of this a little suspect. "S. Sampson" wrote in message news:OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03... In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had defiantly given his medals back to the U.S. government during one of his many protests. New York Times columnist Bill Keller wrote in September 2002 that the senator invited him to view 40 minutes of films Kerry made depicting his war exploits. Keller wrote that anti-war doves would still support the man they remembered for "throwing his war ribbons onto the steps of the Capitol." When pressed about what happened to his medals, Kerry now says the medals he threw away were not his and that his are displayed in his Senate office. Retired General George S. Patton III would later angrily charge that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." Supremely arrogant and demonstrably contemptuous of the voting public, Kerry nevertheless regularly touts his military experience during his presidential run. But he forfeited the right to do that 30 years ago. Come to think of it, if he continues to posture as a war hero, he'll lose the friendship of Ramsey Clark, Angela Davis, and the Daily World. |
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"S. Sampson" wrote in message news:OnASb.13425$Q_4.11977@okepread03... In May 1972, the Boston Phoenix reported that Kerry had ... Could we please stick to military aviation and can the OT political crap? |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
And just what were your war exploits? Anything? I never had to fix bayonets, and the only close call on my demise was a Patriot missile misfire, and a Scud. I served 21 years faithfully, as an aircrewmember in every war from 78 to 93. While I never dropped ordinance, my crew did assist in four Mig kills, and two SAR saves. When I retired I did not show up at anti-government rallies and throw my medals at the steps of Congress. What he did in combat no one denies. And he is a hero and a fine soldier and leader of men as a result. So you don't think giving aid and comfort to the enemy is a bad thing? If Lt Kerry is a good American, then Jane Fonda is also a fine American. And where do you stand in terms of military acheivement against Lt. Kerry? This seems important to you, but it's merely a rephrasing of the first question above. I never went to anti-government rallies and throw my medals at Congress, and then turn around and declare myself a war hero. Does that count? |
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