Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet

Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: Bob
Date: 9/2/2004 1:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On 02 Sep 2004 19:05:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Nope. One mission one target and it gets all 4,000 lbs X56 aircraft.

So after about 5 aircraft drop what are the others aiming on? The
middle of the smoke and dust cloud?


Not 5 aircraft. 56 aircraft.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: Bob
Date: 9/2/2004 1:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On 02 Sep 2004 19:05:06 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Nope. One mission one target and it gets all 4,000 lbs X56 aircraft.

So after about 5 aircraft drop what are the others aiming on? The
middle of the smoke and dust cloud?


Not 5 aircraft. 56 aircraft.

So ALL 56 aircraft drop on the SAME bridge at low level? How do the last 51
planes even SEE the target with all the smoke and dust?

Ragnar asked:
So ALL 56 aircraft drop on the SAME bridge at low level? How do the last 51
planes even SEE the target with all the smoke and dust?



First, 10,000 feet is not low level.
Second, there should be almost no lag between the release of the first planes
through the release of the last in the flight.
Remember the aircraft are in a tight formation, not spread out all over the
countryside.

Besides defensive firepower, the purpose of the formation was to put as many
a/c over the same point as close to the same time as possible. "Point" being a
relative term.

Art, How long and wide was the formation of one group of B-26s if everything is
going correctly and each airplane was in it's proper place?
Also what is the fall time for a 500 pounder from 10,000 feet (I don't have my
boks handy)?

Not that we ever bombed out a formation, but a twelve ship B-57 formation was
less than 160 yards x 120 yards. Also we weren't stacked in a "Box" which
should tighten up the pattern.

Rick Clark

Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 9/2/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Ragnar asked:
So ALL 56 aircraft drop on the SAME bridge at low level? How do the last 51
planes even SEE the target with all the smoke and dust?



First, 10,000 feet is not low level.
Second, there should be almost no lag between the release of the first planes
through the release of the last in the flight.
Remember the aircraft are in a tight formation, not spread out all over the
countryside.

Besides defensive firepower, the purpose of the formation was to put as many
a/c over the same point as close to the same time as possible. "Point" being
a
relative term.

Art, How long and wide was the formation of one group of B-26s if everything
is
going correctly and each airplane was in it's proper place?
Also what is the fall time for a 500 pounder from 10,000 feet (I don't have
my
boks handy)?

Not that we ever bombed out a formation, but a twelve ship B-57 formation was
less than 160 yards x 120 yards. Also we weren't stacked in a "Box" which
should tighten up the pattern.

Rick Clark


To get a good idea of the area of impact of 56 Marauders each with a 4,000
pound load of 500 pounders for a total of about a quarter of a million pounds
of bombs going off at once, go to my website and check "The Raid on Brest"
"Hitting the French Coast", "Wurzburgh" and "The Airfield that wasn't there".
Bomb runs were all NORDEN from 10,000 feet at 180 IAS,



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 9/2/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Ragnar asked:
So ALL 56 aircraft drop on the SAME bridge at low level? How do the last
51
planes even SEE the target with all the smoke and dust?



First, 10,000 feet is not low level.
Second, there should be almost no lag between the release of the first
planes
through the release of the last in the flight.
Remember the aircraft are in a tight formation, not spread out all over
the
countryside.

Besides defensive firepower, the purpose of the formation was to put as
many
a/c over the same point as close to the same time as possible. "Point"
being
a
relative term.

Art, How long and wide was the formation of one group of B-26s if
everything
is
going correctly and each airplane was in it's proper place?
Also what is the fall time for a 500 pounder from 10,000 feet (I don't
have
my
boks handy)?

Not that we ever bombed out a formation, but a twelve ship B-57 formation
was
less than 160 yards x 120 yards. Also we weren't stacked in a "Box" which
should tighten up the pattern.

Rick Clark


To get a good idea of the area of impact of 56 Marauders each with a 4,000
pound load of 500 pounders for a total of about a quarter of a million
pounds
of bombs going off at once, go to my website and check "The Raid on
Brest"
"Hitting the French Coast", "Wurzburgh" and "The Airfield that wasn't
there".
Bomb runs were all NORDEN from 10,000 feet at 180 IAS,

I have done. You have some geat pics there art.

Why was it always a 'pickle barrel' anyway? I would have thought a
sauerkraut barrel would have been more appropriate.

John

Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: "John Mullen"
Date: 9/3/2004 9:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Bomb in a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 9/2/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Ragnar asked:
So ALL 56 aircraft drop on the SAME bridge at low level? How do the last
51
planes even SEE the target with all the smoke and dust?



First, 10,000 feet is not low level.
Second, there should be almost no lag between the release of the first
planes
through the release of the last in the flight.
Remember the aircraft are in a tight formation, not spread out all over
the
countryside.

Besides defensive firepower, the purpose of the formation was to put as
many
a/c over the same point as close to the same time as possible. "Point"
being
a
relative term.

Art, How long and wide was the formation of one group of B-26s if
everything
is
going correctly and each airplane was in it's proper place?
Also what is the fall time for a 500 pounder from 10,000 feet (I don't
have
my
boks handy)?

Not that we ever bombed out a formation, but a twelve ship B-57 formation
was
less than 160 yards x 120 yards. Also we weren't stacked in a "Box" which
should tighten up the pattern.

Rick Clark


To get a good idea of the area of impact of 56 Marauders each with a 4,000
pound load of 500 pounders for a total of about a quarter of a million
pounds
of bombs going off at once, go to my website and check "The Raid on
Brest"
"Hitting the French Coast", "Wurzburgh" and "The Airfield that wasn't
there".
Bomb runs were all NORDEN from 10,000 feet at 180 IAS,

I have done. You have some geat pics there art.

Why was it always a 'pickle barrel' anyway? I would have thought a
sauerkraut barrel would have been more appropriate.

John



Excellant observation. Now I can see why you get the big bucks. (grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer