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In article ,
Sam Spade wrote:

I got the info.

What the crew told you was about right.

That model, as delivered from Cessna, is not RNAV-1 compliant.

It requires a couple of hardware mods/additions to become RNAV-1. So,
none of the RNAV stuff at RIL was avaiable to them.

Not the best configuration to dispatch to RIL in weather conditions.

Un-freakin-believable. They build a $5M plane and don't even put a
decent GPS in it? Why would anyone buy it?

Thanks for looking into that for me.

rg

In article ,
Sam Spade wrote:

Did you note that the SQUAT 26 DP doesn't have any flyover waypoints?

I'm not actually sure how to tell the difference. I wansn't even aware
that there was a distinction before this whole incident happened. In my
Cirrus I just select the procedure on the Garmin and hit the NAV button.
:-)

rg

Ron Garret writes:

Un-freakin-believable. They build a $5M plane and don't even put a
decent GPS in it? Why would anyone buy it?

Because it's half the price of the same plane with the fancy avionics?

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

Un-freakin-believable. They build a $5M plane and don't even put a
decent GPS in it? Why would anyone buy it?

Because it's half the price of the same plane with the fancy avionics?

For that to be true, RNAV-capable avionics would have to cost $5M. You
can go to Cessna and buy a complete Garmin glass cockpit for about 5% of
that (and they'll throw in a nice carrying case called a 172SP as a
bonus).

rg

Ron Garret wrote:
In article ,
Sam Spade wrote:


Did you note that the SQUAT 26 DP doesn't have any flyover waypoints?


I'm not actually sure how to tell the difference. I wansn't even aware
that there was a distinction before this whole incident happened. In my
Cirrus I just select the procedure on the Garmin and hit the NAV button.
:-)

rg

The flyovers have a circle around them. You need to know only to the
extent that with a FO the Garmin won't lead the turn.

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Sam Spade wrote:


I got the info.

What the crew told you was about right.

That model, as delivered from Cessna, is not RNAV-1 compliant.

It requires a couple of hardware mods/additions to become RNAV-1. So,
none of the RNAV stuff at RIL was avaiable to them.

Not the best configuration to dispatch to RIL in weather conditions.


Un-freakin-believable. They build a $5M plane and don't even put a
decent GPS in it? Why would anyone buy it?

Thanks for looking into that for me.

rg

From what I'm told, the airplane is fairly old from a GPS-equippage
standpoint.

Ron Garret writes:

For that to be true, RNAV-capable avionics would have to cost $5M. You
can go to Cessna and buy a complete Garmin glass cockpit for about 5% of
that (and they'll throw in a nice carrying case called a 172SP as a
bonus).

A Garmin cockpit may go blank on you one day, and then you'll end up in a
mountainside. Avionics for commercial aircraft are somewhat more rigidly
tested and designed (although still not always well enough, in the case of
software).

Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:


For that to be true, RNAV-capable avionics would have to cost $5M. You
can go to Cessna and buy a complete Garmin glass cockpit for about 5% of
that (and they'll throw in a nice carrying case called a 172SP as a
bonus).


A Garmin cockpit may go blank on you one day, and then you'll end up in a
mountainside. Avionics for commercial aircraft are somewhat more rigidly
tested and designed (although still not always well enough, in the case of
software).

Is that how it works in Flight Simulator, the Garmin unit fails and you
hit a mountain?

Bingo! Great game.

Sam Spade writes:

Is that how it works in Flight Simulator, the Garmin unit fails and you
hit a mountain?

No. In simulation, avionics never fail unless that is a planned part of the
simulation. The problem arises in real life, where inadequately tested
software may cause catastrophic and unrecoverable failures.

On Feb 5, 4:23 am, Sam Spade wrote:

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Is that how it works in Flight Simulator, the Garmin unit fails and you
hit a mountain?

"This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another
game?"

Bingo! Great game.

Indeed. I enjoy it more than MSFS.