Call signs

Jay Honeck wrote:

Cessna drivers often do not know what a Warrior, Archer or
Dakota might look like. Could be a single or a twin for all they know.


Most everyone knows what a Cherokee looks like. In my early flying
days, I was a Cessna-only pilot. I had no idea what Archer or Warrior
was.


An interesting observation. Having trained exclusively in Piper
products, I know when I was a new pilot I had no idea what a "Skylane"
was, let alone a "Skymaster" or "Skywagon."

Yet, from a distance, they all look pretty much the same.

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Or eagles and turkeys, respectively. :-)


Matt

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Or eagles and turkeys, respectively. :-)

Ahem. That would be "femmes" and "studs", respectively...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.


What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

Sure we got airports. Cherokees just ain't any good when there aren't
airports.

Sounds like fun, but I suspect you're describing 1/10 of 1% of all flying.

Which isn't to say high wings don't have their good points. It's just
"off-airport usage" really isn't terribly relevant to the vast majority of
pilots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Since there are experimentals, and spam cans coming in to OSH at the end of
July, AND there is no two way communications, that is what they do, right?
--
Jim in NC

I cannot verify the truth of this, but the pilot who told
me this tail is crazy enough to do it.

He said he was flying a Stearman cross country, and called
approach with callsign "Boeing 12345" (Stearman having been
aquired by Boeing).

Approach calls "Boeing 12345 reduce to minimum approach speed"

So he hauls back to about 25 knots and the controller watches
his blip come to a halt in the middle of the pattern.

nooneimportant wrote:
I fly Archers, arrows and seminoles. Normaly call up as archer so and so,
or arrow so and so... and they call me back wtih the model nuber i gave
them, but any radio traffic after that i become cherokee.... be it that Im
in the archer or the arrow. Got really strange flying the seminole into
SOCAL and was reported to another aircraft as a duchess...... (now i wasn't
going to step that low and make my future radio calls as duchess mind you...
felt it was a good time to simply become NOVEMBER such and such....)

Flying the 172's I always just went as "Cessna" sure its teh same as you
would hear on a 152 or 182, but in a tower environment the speeds aren't all
that drastically different (now cruise is a different story!) and they all
look similar from a distance. Centurion is different, as are the twin
cessna's.... I've NEVER heard a citation call in as a cessna... they always
called in as Citation Suchandsuch.

Most of my xc flights now are IFR so I dont' really sweat it out to much
unless they really butcher my number, or give me something unrealistic
"N12345 climb one five thousand by yucca" I'll call back something like
"CHEROKEE 12345 Unable 1-5-thousand" And when VFR will usually just call up
as what I'm flying, unless another controller started calling me
cherokee.... then i stick to it. Looks like a cherokee... same speed
envelope as a cherokee..... only im an archer... go fig.



"buttman" wrote in message
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When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter what
I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even tried
to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

Jay Honeck wrote:

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Or eagles and turkeys, respectively. :-)


Ahem. That would be "femmes" and "studs", respectively...

;-)

Nah, high wings have broad shoulders and a narrow waist. Low wings have
rounded shoulders and wide hips. Now tell me again which is the stud? :-)


Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Sometimes they do. Especially when something unusual like a Maule winds up in
the area.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Right up until the time that you lose your first engine.

Jim


Which isn't to say high wings don't have their good points. It's just
"off-airport usage" really isn't terribly relevant to the vast majority of
pilots.

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...

Since there are experimentals, and spam cans coming in to OSH at the end
of
July, AND there is no two way communications, that is what they do, right?

Actually, I'm always deeply impressed with how accurately the controllers
refer to all the different aircraft BY NAME.

They aren't always 100% correct -- but they're waaaaay better than average.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 4 Jun 2005 14:52:07 -0700, "buttman" wrote:

And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

I fly a 172, and always call myself 'Skyhawk'. I'm surprised that
you've really never heard someone call themselves that...

Although on occasion, even though I *always* call myself Skyhawk (my
instructor thumped me for 'Cessna' once) I will come across a
controller who after the inital exchange of info to get advisories
will say '194SP, say type aircraft', even though he got it 30 seconds
ago. I understand why, it's just amusing to me.

aw