PC flight simulators

(ArtKramr) wrote:



No comment.

Arthur Kramer

Maybe not Art but you've gotten some good advice here and it
really would have helped your image if you had just said:

"Gee, guess this one does seem to have value doesn't it"
(or something similar).

I really don't expect to see this from you though.

It's a pretty telling statement when the USN thinks this highly
of a 'toy':

quote: (of Jarg's URL)
(IDG) -- Armchair jet jockeys play Microsoft Corp.'s Flight
Simulator on their PCs to capture a bit of the thrill of the real
thing, which replicates an actual flight experience closely
enough that the Navy is making its customized version of Flight
Simulator standard issue for all student naval aviators.
unquote

Replicates yet!...WooHoo, high praise indeed!.


--

-Gord.

(ArtKramr) wrote in news:20031116185355.19890.00000389
@mb-m02.aol.com:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.

Hense his use of the word "play".

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
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I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Have you had a look at some of these "games" lately Art?

Scet

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Scet"
Date: 11/17/03 1:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
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I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Have you had a look at some of these "games" lately Art?

Scet






Read Mary's message. She said it best.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

They are computer games...... that realistically produce images and
techniques that help learn and maintain aviation knowledge.

Back in '90 I had angioplasty that grounded me for 6 months, then a
quadruple bypass that stretched my grounding another 6 months.
Yeager's Air Combat and MS Flight Simulator kept my head in aviation to a
degree that when I finally got my medical back and went back to flying
Captain with AA, the transition was much easier than if I hadn't used my
"games".

The games don't really teach or maintain basic "stick and rudder" technique
but they do teach and maintain procedures and spatial awareness.
I have 2 new pilots starting tomorrow in the MD-88 flight simulator with
EFIS and FMS. Like my last 2 pilots they probably don't have any previous
jet or FMS experience. Their learning curve will be primarily procedures.
Hopefully they will already have the stick and rudder skills. And I DO
agree that only a full motion flight simulator can teach the "stick and
rudder" techniques.

--

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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" I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.

An acquaintance of mine is a relief pilot for a regional airline. Rather
than fixed routes, he has to be ready to fly to every airport that the
company services. He uses MS Flight Sim to refresh his memory of airports
that he has not been to for a while. Add on scenery shows realistic airport
layout & hazards. As a passenger I am happy that he has played a game prior
to the real thing.

Take a look at:

http://www.x-plane.com/

There's some simulator companies that use this for FAA certification.
It's pretty complex, as you can have 10 computers running and all
networked together for the different views and gauges, etc.

I have a copy, but to tell the truth, the F-105 and F-4 simulators
seem pretty bogus to me.

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.

"Gene Storey" wrote in
news:rfUtb.225$Jz1.32@okepread03:

Take a look at:

http://www.x-plane.com/

There's some simulator companies that use this for FAA
certification. It's pretty complex, as you can have 10 computers
running and all networked together for the different views and
gauges, etc.

I have a copy, but to tell the truth, the F-105 and F-4
simulators seem pretty bogus to me.

Great, this seems to be exactly what I'm looking for.

Thank's!


Regards...


"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.

In article rfUtb.225$Jz1.32@okepread03, Gene Storey wrote:

I have a copy, but to tell the truth, the F-105 and F-4 simulators
seem pretty bogus to me.

And there's something wrong with the F-22 too, but if this
means it's bad models or if the program is better at
simulating general aviation and airliners I don't know.
--
Urban Fredriksson
Military aviation: Swedish military aviation, the rec.aviation.military FAQ
http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/
Weblog http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/avblog.html

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:03:34 -0600, "Gene Storey" wrote:

http://www.x-plane.com/

There's some simulator companies that use this for FAA certification.
It's pretty complex, as you can have 10 computers running and all
networked together for the different views and gauges, etc.

I believe Scaled Composites uses/has used X-Plane for some simulation work.
But of course, what would they know? They're only building sub-orbital
vehicles, thats all. :-)


This made me laugh:

In 1943 I flew a simulator that was the cockpit and nose of a
B-26 complete with full reality sounds and feeling to the controls plus rough
air effects..My pilot was in the cockpit and we flew the simulator as a crew. I
did bombruns over Berlin that unrolled under us with accurate engine sounds and
flak impacts. It was as close as you could get to actual flying in combat
bombing and navigating. In fact we often got lost in the trainer procedure and
actually felt we were in the air on bomb runs,

Welcome to 2003! Home-built motion cockpits + PC based flight sims have been
achieving far more than this for years!

Comparing that to a PC is just total a stretch beyond all reason.

Indeed. A PC sim would blow it out the water!

1943!! ROFLMAO!!

And yes, I have flown real aircraft. Seems a lot of you guys have only
experienced sims from way back. More modern ones aren't that bad. In fact PC
sims are often more difficult because of the lack of SA and 'feel' of the
aircraft. But they still simulate flight to a degree. Just because you don't
have to be some super-hero, God-like, all knowing fighter pilot, to use them
doesn't mean they're crap.

:-)

--
Steve.