When to descend

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:14:12 -0700, Bee wrote:

I guess the AIM and the IPH need to state "A TAA straight-in, left base,
or right base area is the regulatory equivalent of a published approach

It's in the PC/G:

TERMINAL ARRIVAL AREA (TAA)- The TAA is controlled airspace established in
conjunction with the Standard or Modified T and I RNAV approach
configurations. In the standard TAA, there are three areas: straight-in,
left base, and right base. The arc boundaries of the three areas of the TAA
**are published portions of the approach** and allow aircraft to transition
from the en route structure direct to the nearest IAF. TAAs will also
eliminate or reduce feeder routes, departure extensions, and procedure
turns or course reversal.

(emphasis mine)
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Bee" wrote in message
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Newps wrote:


Dan Luke wrote:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000




Anytime after UDUZI.


and to what altitude?


At or above 2000

wrong

You want to expand on that a bit, bucko?

Al G

Al G wrote:
"Bee" wrote in message
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Newps wrote:


Dan Luke wrote:


You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000




Anytime after UDUZI.


and to what altitude?


At or above 2000

wrong


You want to expand on that a bit, bucko?

Al G


I already did.

You descend to 2700 once inside the TAA.

Like Steve said, you guys need to read the AIM and the PC/G. ALo

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:14:12 -0700, Bee wrote:


I guess the AIM and the IPH need to state "A TAA straight-in, left base,
or right base area is the regulatory equivalent of a published approach


It's in the PC/G:

TERMINAL ARRIVAL AREA (TAA)- The TAA is controlled airspace established in
conjunction with the Standard or Modified T and I RNAV approach
configurations. In the standard TAA, there are three areas: straight-in,
left base, and right base. The arc boundaries of the three areas of the TAA
**are published portions of the approach** and allow aircraft to transition
from the en route structure direct to the nearest IAF. TAAs will also
eliminate or reduce feeder routes, departure extensions, and procedure
turns or course reversal.

(emphasis mine)
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to
find this stuff.

Bee wrote:

Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to
find this stuff.

Great cite of a pretty good site.

True enough, but if everyone just looked everything up and found the
answers and interpreted everything correctly, we wouldn't have much to
talk about here.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't fault the OP for raising the question here.
It provoked an interesting discussion and I learned from it.

Dave

Dave Butler wrote:
Bee wrote:

Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to
find this stuff.


Great cite of a pretty good site.

True enough, but if everyone just looked everything up and found the
answers and interpreted everything correctly, we wouldn't have much to
talk about here.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't fault the OP for raising the question here.
It provoked an interesting discussion and I learned from it.

Dave

The NACO TAA charts are also covered in great detail in the NACO IAP
chart legend, which appears everytime someone downloads NACO approach
charts:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco..._IAP_Intro.pdf

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Bee wrote:

Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to find
this stuff.

Great cite of a pretty good site.

True enough, but if everyone just looked everything up and found the
answers and interpreted everything correctly, we wouldn't have much to
talk about here.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't fault the OP for raising the question here.
It provoked an interesting discussion and I learned from it.

Dave

Me too.

Al G

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:26:42 -0700, Bee wrote:

Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to
find this stuff.

At least the question is asked and, in the various answers, these sorts of
things become known.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:26:42 -0700, Bee wrote:


Great cite. Too bad most of the folks here cannot figure out how to
find this stuff.


At least the question is asked and, in the various answers, these sorts of
things become known.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

It didn't help that NACO chose to use the MSA box for the TAA area
minimum altitudes rather than the underscore as they have always used
for all other minimum alitudes and as illustrated in the AIM.

They also claim that the TAA area minimum altitudes replace MSAs for
these IAPs. That is incorrect. They make MSAs unnecessay but they do
not replace them. MSAs are not IFR altitudes in this country.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:13:00 -0700, Bee wrote:

They also claim that the TAA area minimum altitudes replace MSAs for
these IAPs. That is incorrect. They make MSAs unnecessay but they do
not replace them. MSAs are not IFR altitudes in this country.

Although the TAA minimum altitude, and MSA have different definitions, I
never had a problem with the concept of them being the same value when
there is a TAA published.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)