Piper doors, why the passenger side?

"dennis brown" wrote in message
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Actually, almost yes.

It was fairly common to start planes from behind the prop. Some had no
brakes
so it was safer than trying to start from the front. If they had chocks,
connected by a rope, that would work. But it had the possibility of
getting
rope and chocks into the prop.

I have started a plane by standing across the right gear and bringing the
blade down. It was quite comfortable. You're holding onto something
(the struts) and you know the prop is not going to run over you. In my old
age, I don't prop planes.


I do prop planes, I own an Aeronca 7AC, and I do prop it from behind. But
I'm fairly confident Aeronca put the sole door on the right side because the
left side was occupied by throttle linkage, not to make inflight restarts
possible.

Dennis,
This is normal for starting a non-starter equip plane on floats.
Bill Higdon

dennis brown wrote:
Actually, almost yes.

It was fairly common to start planes from behind the prop. Some had no brakes
so it was safer than trying to start from the front. If they had chocks,
connected by a rope, that would work. But it had the possibility of getting
rope and chocks into the prop.

I have started a plane by standing across the right gear and bringing the
blade down. It was quite comfortable. You're holding onto something
(the struts) and you know the prop is not going to run over you. In my old
age, I don't prop planes.


In article . net, "Steven P.
McNicoll" wrote:

"dennis brown" wrote in message
link.net...

Another reason is that it is easier to reach the prop and pull it down
to start. Have you seen the old picture of the pilot doing this?
Solo. In flight. Prop is stopped. Pilot standing on right gear, left hand
holding onto plane.


So you think Piper put the door on the right side to make inflight hand
propping possible?

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:

I do prop planes, I own an Aeronca 7AC, and I do prop it from
behind. But I'm fairly confident Aeronca put the sole door on the
right side because the left side was occupied by throttle linkage,
not to make inflight restarts possible.

As I mentioned before, passenger entry and exit would also be a
consideration. If you want people to be able to get in or out of the
plane with the engine still running, the door cannot be on the
pilot's side.


All the best,


David

wrote in message ...
It's not just Piper. EVERY certified low wing, single door 4 place model
since WWII has the same configuration.

Navion Rangemasters have the door on the left side. I suspect this is
because the canopy model originally had the step/wing walk on the left wing, so it made
sense to just keep the boarding on that side. Oops, I guess you're still right, the
Rangemaster is technically a 5 place.

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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As I mentioned before, passenger entry and exit would also be a
consideration. If you want people to be able to get in or out of the
plane with the engine still running, the door cannot be on the
pilot's side.


With tandem seating, there is no pilot's side or passenger's side.

It is set up that way so that the pilot can't sneak out of the airplane
without his passenger knowing it.

No, just kidding.

Actually, I asked the Piper representative this very question the last time
I attended their factory open house. The reason is that during emergency
egress, the pilot should be the last one out. (Captain of the ship.)


"Nathan Young" wrote in message
om...
First off, this isn't a post to argue the merits of one-door vs.
two-doors, so if you want to do that, start your own thread...

Why does Piper put the door of the plane on the passenger side? I
cannot think of one good reason. Would like to hear the group's
opinions.

OTOH, I can think of several reasons it would be better to have the
single door on the pilots side:
1. Most flights are solo, so with the door on the pilots side, no
need to constantly climb across the passenger seat.
2. On that same point, I like to keep my charts and headsets on the
passenger seat. Again, I have to crawl over them each flight to get
to the pilots seat.
3. It would be nice to allow passengers to board before the pilot
enters.
4. Again most flights are solo, it seems that egress in the event of
an emergency would be easier with the door on the pilots side.

-Nathan

"markjen" wrote in message
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I think it harks back to the idea that the pilot should be the first to
enter and the last to leave.


Ah, but in that case, wouldn't it have been best to have put the door at
the *back* to give the rear-seaters a chance to get out?


--
Dr. Tony Cox
Citrus Controls Inc.
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"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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As I mentioned before, passenger entry and exit would also be a
consideration. If you want people to be able to get in or out of the
plane with the engine still running, the door cannot be on the
pilot's side.


With tandem seating, there is no pilot's side or passenger's side.

I was talking about the PA-28. I'm sure that they considered the
issue when they moved from tandem to side-by-side, and then from
high-wing to low-wing, and made a deliberate choice in each case to
keep the door on the right side.


All the best,


David

"Tony Cox" writes:

Ah, but in that case, wouldn't it have been best to have put the door at
the *back* to give the rear-seaters a chance to get out?

That's why there's a baggage door.


All the best,


David

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
Back when Piper was building only aircraft that didn't have a "passenger
side", aircraft with tandem seating, the door was on the right side because
there was throttle linkage on the left.

Which of course raises the question, "Why is the throttle linkage on the
left"?