Left Mag Dead... After Annual???

On 02/27/06 11:39, Roy Smith wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
Well, I do a thorough preflight and run up each time, regardless of the
maintenance schedule. I certainly cannot remove the cowl and inspect
the security of the spark plugs ;-\

Why not? The cowl on most types comes off with no tools. When doing
checkouts with new club members, I often pull the cowling and show
them what's underneath.

I've been flying C172 N and M models, and at least on the specific ones
that I've used, you must remove a number of screws.

Also, the club I've joined is geared toward student and low-time pilots,
and has several 'rules' whose primary purpose is in keeping the inexperienced
from getting into trouble - so I assumed they would not be to happy to see
one of the members pulling the cowl and poking around inside.

Of course, if you're providing club check-outs, you probably have more
latitude in this area than a general member would? In my club, for example,
the CFIs have a key to the office, while as a member I do not.

To be honest, I haven't asked if pulling the cowl is against the policy
at my club.


I certainly wouldn't launch into anything but day-vfr for the first
flight after major maintenance, and even then, I like to circle the
airport a couple of laps while climbing to a good altitude.

That's good advice, of course.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

I make the shop prove to me that everything in the airplane works after
every time they touch it....when I'm satisified that my plane is back to
par, then I'll offer to pay the bill.

Oh, that's a good idea. That way if there's something wrong that might
kill you, at least you won't have paid for it.

Wow. What's the cause for hostility? Did I insult you somehow?

If there is something wrong (that might kill me or not) I'm not paying the
shop a cent until I'm satisfied with their work.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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How long does it take to prove it to you?


Depends on what they were working on. If they were working on the engine,
they're going to do an engine run with me at a minimum, sometimes a local
flight. I don't think I've ever taken more than an hour of their time.

Who is paying for the mechanics time while he/she is doing this?


They are, if they value my continued business. If not, there are plenty of
other shops that are more than willing to work on my plane.

Do you make an appointment to pick up your plane, or simply show up and
interrupt whatever is already going on?


I always make an appointment. I would think showing up unannounced would be
quite rude.

John Doe wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:


I make the shop prove to me that everything in the airplane works after
every time they touch it....when I'm satisified that my plane is back to
par, then I'll offer to pay the bill.

Oh, that's a good idea. That way if there's something wrong that might
kill you, at least you won't have paid for it.


Wow. What's the cause for hostility? Did I insult you somehow?

If there is something wrong (that might kill me or not) I'm not paying the
shop a cent until I'm satisfied with their work.

Didn't mean to be hostile. It just occurred to me that it was strange to put
such a high priority on protecting your wallet when your skin's at risk.

Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader.
"three-eight-hotel" wrote in message
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So I just got out of a $1900 annual, and stopped by, on Friday, to gas
the plane up for a flight to happen this week... I tried to start the
plane up (Cessna 172), and it never as much as sputtered. The battery
was well charged and it turned over, and over, and over, and over...
Never fired though!?!? I tried for about 5 minutes, and ended up just
leaving it, for the mechanic to look at.

...
Has anyone else had a similar problem? The mechanic said the plane was
started and running after annual, so is this just a major coincidence?
Is it true??? Are we all just test pilots, when we pick our planes up
from an annual?


How about the handle on the fuel selector installed 180 degrees off -
Pointed at "main" sucking gas from a nearly empty aux. tank. As it turns
out, the runway was long enough to take off from AND land on...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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If you do OAA, you don't have to worry about taking the cowl off and
looking. Since you were the one that put the cowl (and every other
inspection plate and removable frumpus) back on the airplane after you took
them off in the first place, you have as much time as your little heart
desires to thoroughly inspect the aircraft.

And, since you were the one that pulled and reinstalled the plugs for the
cleaning and compression check, you don't have to worry about somebody not
tightening them up right. You have met the enemy and he is you {;-)

Jim





"three-eight-hotel" wrote in message
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Well, I do a thorough preflight and run up each time, regardless of the
maintenance schedule. I certainly cannot remove the cowl and inspect
the security of the spark plugs ;-\

I'm pretty thorough about preflight and runup, regularly, as well, but
on the first flight after the plane has come out of annual, is it
overkill to remove the cowl and inspect for something that doesn't look
right? I'm just wondering if it's slightly on the reckless side, not
to go above and beyond our normally thorough preflight and runup?

On 27 Feb 2006 10:43:05 -0800, three-eight-hotel wrote:

I tend to agree, and it only reinforces the three words to live by,
according to Jim... But, assuming you don't do an owner assisted
annual, how much is too little? i.e. Gene's post on plugs not even
being in finger tight...

Plug wire fell out on me INFLIGHT. I went to pick up a passenger at a
neighboring airport (10 nm). Runup was perfect on take off from my home
airport. My preflight is like the first time I ever flew the plane, and I
am the owner of the plane.

Nary a word from the engine until I went to start up the engine, taxied out
and mag check failed. Taxied back, A&P came out, decowled the plane and
sure enough one wire out, another one hanging by a thread.

This was one hour after I took the log books from my A&P after annual.

Allen

In article ,
"Viperdoc" wrote:

These things can happen, but lack of attention to detail when it comes to my
own health and well being is unacceptable.

Another good reason to do an extra-careful preflight right after it comes
out of the shop is because you can really build up your personal tool
collection. I figure if the mechanic left it in the plane, it was
obviously meant as a present. I recently picked up a dandy automatic wire
stripper. I missed out on the wrench left under the cowling because a
fellow club member was quicker on the uptake than I was, which is a shame
because a 3/4" Snap-On is both an excellent tool and hard to come by.

Well, I was answering from the Renter's point of view. As a renter, I am
not allowed to remove the cowl (as far as I know). If there is a loose
plug
wire that isn't noticed during the normal run-up, I wouldn't catch it.


you can remove the cowl as a renter, as you are the "operator" and PIC
The FBO/Flight School may not appreciate it though

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
...

The same shop did an annual that left me with a very rough running engine
on the first flight, where I gave serious thought to a precautionary
landing. It was the last time I went to these guys.

My shop does a half hour or so post-maintenance flight, conducted by the
head of the shop. So far, he's still alive after 25 or so years in the
business.

I'll ask him how many times he's had to declare an emergency or make an
off-airport landing next time I see him.

Oh, yeah...they charge A LOT for annuals and maintenance, but they're worth
it. My last annual was over $5000 with about $1000 for some minor work and
tweaks.



--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO