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Skycatcher IFR?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:16:52 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote: On 2007-10-16 07:46:25 -0700, xyzzy said: On Oct 12, 7:30 pm, Matt Whiting wrote: Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site. Matt You've gotten a lot of good replies here so it may be redundant, but I did want to mention I saw the Skycatcher at OshKosh and asked one of the Cessna salesdrones if it would be IFR capable and he said no. Putting the technical and regulatory limitations aside, I doubt Cessna would want to cannibalize 172 sales by offering a much cheaper IFR alternative. Yeah, sure. Both the Skycatcher and the 172 have order backlogs running into several years now. Somehow I doubt that Cessna is worried about sales. I could walk into my local STAR and pick up a 172 or 182 tomorrow. Maybe the factory has a production backlog for a long time out, but from what I can tell it's likely because they're shoving completed positions out onto the dealers where the aircraft sit in inventory waiting for an end user. |
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Skycatcher IFR?
And yet several ads for LSA aircraft state they are IFR certified.
C J Campbell wrote: On 2007-10-12 16:30:31 -0700, Matt Whiting said: Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site. Matt The Skycatcher is Cessna's Light Sport Aircraft. The FAA, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that new LSA cannot be certified for IFR. However, all the needed wiring harness is there if someone wants to convert the airplane to IFR flight. |
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Skycatcher IFR?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:44:53 -0700, in rec.aviation.owning, Newps
wrote: C J Campbell wrote: The Skycatcher is Cessna's Light Sport Aircraft. The FAA, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that new LSA cannot be certified for IFR. And yet several ads for LSA aircraft state they are IFR certified. Isn't it just LSA *pilots* that can't fly IFR? If so, that'd be no reason to omit IFR hardware from the plane. You just need a private and instrument ticket to fly it IFR. -Scott |
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Skycatcher IFR?
Matt Whiting said: Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site. The Cessna rep at the recent Hartford Expo claimed the Skycather will be VFR day and nite authorized per the ASTM standard (it will obviously exceed the Part 91 minimum requirements), so it can be used as both a SP and primary PPL line trainer. He said that it will NOT be authorized for flight into IMC, even when the ASTM finalizes their IFR operations consensus standard. When I pressed him on why, he claimed that Cessna gave into that as a design limitation to Garmin, before Garmin custom designed the displays. He claimed that Garmin could (would??) not meet price and performance (with limited redundancy) if the boxes needed to meet future IMC/IFR operational conditions. I have been unable to vet this "Garmin" information. But I know that if any LSA component manufacturer of the airframe (ie engine, prop, etc) disallows operation at night or in IMC then that operation is forbidden per the FAA rules. This whole issue of PPLs operating LSAs in IMC is very nebulus to me a the moment. Helen Woods had steared me back to the FAA docs that clearly show IFR operations of LSAs falling within the final rules. I have the disadvantage of having been involved in some of the original development and comment process, and now am a little confused as to what actually made it into the final docs. I promised myself that on a couple of cold snowy nites this winter I'll print them all out and (re)read them. "C J Campbell" wrote... The Skycatcher is Cessna's Light Sport Aircraft. The FAA, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that new LSA cannot be certified for IFR. I have been a proponent of that line of thinking since the original rfc. The FAA now says we are both wrong. I will wait for the final Consensus Standard, but I don't like SEL ops with Part 91 minimum equipment in IMC, so I don't see myself getting in a LSA for an IRF trip. Hell,... can anyone tell me if any LSA maker besides Tecnam even has window defrost? |
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Skycatcher IFR?
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:51:13 GMT, "Mike Isaksen"
wrote: Matt Whiting said: Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site. The Cessna rep at the recent Hartford Expo claimed the Skycather will be VFR day and nite authorized per the ASTM standard (it will obviously exceed the Part 91 minimum requirements), so it can be used as both a SP and primary PPL line trainer. He said that it will NOT be authorized for flight into IMC, even when the ASTM finalizes their IFR operations consensus standard. FWIW, I know of a flight school that passed on DA-20's for PPL training, due to the lack of basic IFR ability. The school owner explained to me that they wanted basic IFR capability in case the instructor needed to fly the airplane back to base in IFR after changing weather conditions. |
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Skycatcher IFR?
On 2007-11-23 03:26:51 -0800, B A R R Y said:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:51:13 GMT, "Mike Isaksen" wrote: Matt Whiting said: Does anyone know if the Skycatcher will be IFR certified? It doesn't appear to be from what little I've found at the Cessna web site. The Cessna rep at the recent Hartford Expo claimed the Skycather will be VFR day and nite authorized per the ASTM standard (it will obviously exceed the Part 91 minimum requirements), so it can be used as both a SP and primary PPL line trainer. He said that it will NOT be authorized for flight into IMC, even when the ASTM finalizes their IFR operations consensus standard. FWIW, I know of a flight school that passed on DA-20's for PPL training, due to the lack of basic IFR ability. The school owner explained to me that they wanted basic IFR capability in case the instructor needed to fly the airplane back to base in IFR after changing weather conditions. Well, that would certainly be a possibility around here. I have had to fly back IFR several times. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Skycatcher IFR?
C J Campbell wrote:
The Skycatcher is Cessna's Light Sport Aircraft. The FAA, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that new LSA cannot be certified for IFR. They have done no such thing. |
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Skycatcher IFR?
It is true that there is no "IFR certification" for an LSA, but none is
required. The aircraft simply needs to meet IFR equipment requirements and have no operating limitations on it or its equipment against such. The Tecnam series is completely IFR legal if you buy it equipped as such: http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/ Helen Gig 601XL Builder wrote: C J Campbell wrote: The Skycatcher is Cessna's Light Sport Aircraft. The FAA, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that new LSA cannot be certified for IFR. They have done no such thing. |
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