Bad landings

Jose wrote:

What's your home airport? I'm at Danbury, you too?

Home of the coolest approach in CT on 35. G

Jim Jones wrote:

I went up today to practice crosswind landings. The wind was about down
the
runway at my home airport so I went to Sky Manor (N40). This airport has
a
2500x50 foot runway and requires vigilence in gusty winds. I did 2
landings and 1 go around (due to the gusty wind) using runway 25 at Sky
Manor with a
90 degree crosswind of about 12-15 knots gusting to about 18-20kt. The
landings here were pretty good.


What aircraft were you flying? What is its max crosswind component?

Congratulations on taking on crosswinds for practice; on handling the scary
situation back home. Well done.

EridanMan wrote:
The situation you describe strikes me as being a very clear diversion
scenario. In the absence of that option, my instructor suggested that
(at least in my stout-legged PA-28) in an emergency, during a heavy,
gusty crosswind beyond the aircraft's rudder capacity, your best bet
is simply to go with the "crab-plant' approach, and associated repair
bills.

I in no way vouch for this approach, I'm just relaying what I was told.

That's probably a good thing, because the bills associated with such an
approach could very well be a large part of the aircraft's total value. The
PA-28 may have stout legs, but they are not designed to handle a large
sideloads. I have seen this attempted in another stout legged Piper and the
result was a main gear leg that departed and ripped off the horizontal
stabilzer on it's way.

Even Cessnas, with their sturdier spring steel gear, can get in trouble
with sideloads on the main gear. Go to this page and scroll to the bottom
for an illustration:

http://members.cox.net/jgalban/id60.htm

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Hehe, please note I said 'exhausted all other options', as in, your
out of fuel and you need to get on the ground now, this runway, this
attempt

In that case, the associated repairs bills of ripping the gear off but
almost assuredly living are a probably a better bet than trying some
uber-crosswind landing, and either stalling out due to windshear, wing
striking, or otherwise loosing control on short final. At least
planting in a crab, you're on the ground when the **** hits the fan

Whoops, wrong account - the above was me.

wrote:
Hehe, please note I said 'exhausted all other options', as in, your
out of fuel and you need to get on the ground now, this runway, this
attempt

Well, it really depends on the airport and it's environment. If diversion
wasn't an option, you might be able to use a taxiway that's going into the
wind, or even just some flat ground around the runways. Airports often have
a lot of unpaved areas that are very flat. My point is that there are more
options that planting it in a crab.

If the crosswind is that strong, then landing directly into it should
result in a very short ground roll. Should any loss of control occur, the
speed of any impact will be lower into the headwind, thereby reducing the
chance of injuries.

There are downsides to pretty much any approach in an emergency. The
conditions and environment will likely dictate the most appropriate action.

John Galban====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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") in an emergency, during a heavy,
gusty crosswind beyond the aircraft's rudder capacity, your best bet
is simply to go with the "crab-plant' approach, and associated repair
bills.


Lots of people bad mouth the Ercoupe as a sissy airplane. Yet it is landed
in a crab. Makes any crosswind landing a no brainer. I owned one for a
number of years and only checked the windsock to make sure I wasn't landing
against the traffic flow. :-)

Now I have to check the wind sock again.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A

"Tri-Pacer" wrote

Lots of people bad mouth the Ercoupe as a sissy airplane. Yet it is landed
in a crab. Makes any crosswind landing a no brainer. I owned one for a
number of years and only checked the windsock to make sure I wasn't
landing against the traffic flow. :-)

Now I have to check the wind sock again.

Does the main gear caster on those? I think I heard that it does, but I
have no confirmation of that.
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Jim in NC

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:46:28 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote in :

Does the main gear caster on those? I think I heard that it does, but I
have no confirmation of that.

I don't think so. It's a trailing link design IIRC.

"Morgans" wrote in message ...
:
: "Tri-Pacer" wrote
:
: Lots of people bad mouth the Ercoupe as a sissy airplane. Yet it is landed
: in a crab. Makes any crosswind landing a no brainer. I owned one for a
: number of years and only checked the windsock to make sure I wasn't
: landing against the traffic flow. :-)
:
: Now I have to check the wind sock again.
:
: Does the main gear caster on those? I think I heard that it does, but I
: have no confirmation of that.
: --
: Jim in NC
:


No