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New IFR Currency requirements...!
So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency
requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It is a little vague... Here is the link: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. --Dan |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
The AOPA has a nice chart that summarizes all the changes...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...1-position.pdf Pilots: What do you think about Part 61 changes? The FAA's proposed overhaul of the pilot certification regulations needs some tweaking, and AOPA wants your ideas. "We need to know how these changes would affect your flying," said Luis Gutierrez, AOPA director of regulatory and certification policy. "Some of the benefits and problem areas are obvious, but others are a little more gray." You can start by reviewing a chart that explains all of the FAA's proposed changes - in plain English - and AOPA's position. You can send us your feedback on the changes and our position via e-mail. Top 10 proposed changes that would affect GA... (February 20) "Dan" wrote in message ps.com... | So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency | requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- | country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting | of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. | | Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be | present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) | | Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- | country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It | is a little vague... | | Here is the link: | | http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf | | The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. | | --Dan | |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
"Dan" wrote in message
ps.com... So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency AOPA has a comparision chart and summary. They also provide the opportunity to respond with thoughts. I hope that they clarify it, but my read of the sentence structure is that it will not require 1-hour of cross-country time. Here is the text, "One hour of simulated cross-country practice operation that involves intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation systems while performing a takeoff phase, area departure phase, enroute phase, area arrival phase, approach phase, and a missed approach phase of flight." They used the word "simulated" and in that same sentence refer to all the other stuff you're supposed to do. I also don't believe that they meant to use "cross-country" to mean flying to another airport more than 50 miles away. Once you have done all the other stuff, there won't be much time for cruise. It doesn't say do all that stuff plus an hour of cross-country. I believe (and I hope that the clarification shows) that they just wanted to have the pilot demonstrate skills in all phases of flight. However, what does area departure and area arrival phase really mean? Is it formal procedures? Does it mean only using airports with SIDs and STARs? Or, did they just mean transitioning between enroute airways and the airport. What about teakoff phase? Do I need to go under the hood shortly after rotation? That may create unsafe situations with a pilot trying to transition to under the hood during a busy time, close to the ground. Does this all have to happen during the same sequence of events? Why 1-hour? Is that a calculated time based on how long they think it will take to do all that? I'm all for scenario-based training. I think it makes sense. Requiring the use of SIDs or STARs; requiring 1 hour of enroute tracking; or requiring a cross-country (by the reg's definition) - is going too far. ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
"Dan" wrote:
So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. This all seems perfectly reasonable. The old rules (previous to what we operate under today) required "six and six", i.e. 6 approaches and 6 hours of flight time. Getting rid of the 6 hours of flight time was a rather drastic reduction; this moves us back a little bit towards where it used to be. The way the rules are written today, you can maintain currency by getting vectors to the same ILS at your home drome 6 times and doing one hold. Repeat every six months. By this time, you should have the fixes and altitudes memorized and can probably read back the vectors in your sleep. You can do it in broad daylight, and pick a day when there's no wind, no traffic, and the weather is CAVU. And 5 months after this pencil-whipping, you're still current to launch into single pilot night IFR in rain and 20 kts of wind and 200 foot ceilings. All the one hour of cross-country flying does is make you get out of the pattern of your home airport. You might have to get a real weather briefing before you launch instead of just sticking your head out the door and looking up. I like the hold requirement too. More and more, we're becoming dependent on GPS and forgetting traditional techniques. If twice a year you need to tune in a real VOR and play with the needles, is that going to kill you? Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It is a little vague... Pointless? No. I do agree with you that's it's a little vague. I'd like to see them define better what they mean by "cross country". There are various definitions of cross country in the book for various purposes. I think what makes sense here is "a full stop landing at an airport 50 miles from your point of departure", although I suppose Alaska bush pilots might object to having their destination limited to an airport. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
Dan wrote:
So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It is a little vague... Here is the link: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. I've never done a takeoff under the hood. I wonder if it would be ok if I did that just before rotating or if it needs to be done for the entire roll. I'm glad my home airport runway is 100 feet wide... Yes, I know we can legally take off zero zero. It's just not something I think I need to practice every six months. With a /G plane, the hold over the radio station and intersection are no different. I wonder where these requirements are coming from? Has someone been complaining that pilots aren't doing holds very well and should practice more? An hour cross country? My last currency ride actually did last more than an hour. We didn't cross much country though. We did a GPS at Chapel Hill and from the hold at the missed went to the nearby IAP for the GPS at my home airport at Sanford. They're 21 miles apart. --Dan -- Don Poitras |
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think what makes sense here is "a full stop landing at an airport 50 miles from your point of departure", although I suppose Alaska bush pilots might object to having their destination limited to an airport. Why does that make sensse here? This is for instrument currency; landings are not part of it, neither is a full stop, and fifty miles is arbitrary. What makes sense to me (that the FAA is aiming for) is that they want you to transition from the departure mindset to a cruise mindset to an arrival mindset, to an actual approach. Whether this actually makes sense as a requirement for currency, or is a waste of time that could better be spent on other things, is another question. I would look at the accident statisitics to determine what it is that tends to bite people, and concentrate on those items. Night circle to land with low ceilings and visibility (a visual procedure) seems to be such an animal, but I think that's kind of hard to practice appropriately. Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
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Jose wrote: I think what makes sense here is "a full stop landing at an airport 50 miles from your point of departure", although I suppose Alaska bush pilots might object to having their destination limited to an airport. Why does that make sensse here? This is for instrument currency; landings are not part of it, neither is a full stop, and fifty miles is arbitrary. A full stop landing damn well is part of instrument flying. The whole point of an instrument flight is to get to another airport when the weather is bad. I can't tell you how many approaches I watch people make where they couldn't possible land at the end. When I ask them how the approach went, I get back, "I think it went pretty well". Then I ask them if they could have landed, and they say something like, "Well, no, because I was still at 700 AGL over the threshold and doing 90 kts". I suppose 50 miles is somewhat arbitrary, but it seems to me that the whole point here is to get people away from their familiar home environment. If taking two 50 mile flights twice a year is a hardship, I don't understand what people are doing with their ratings. What makes sense to me (that the FAA is aiming for) is that they want you to transition from the departure mindset to a cruise mindset to an arrival mindset, to an actual approach. Yeah, right. And it's kind of hard to do that in much less than 50 miles. On any kind of real IFR flight with weather that's at all marginal, one of the first things I do once I get settled into cruise is call up flight watch and get an update on weather along my route. There's neither time nor reason to do that on a 25 mile hop to the next airport over. Of course, you could just turn on the A/P and read a magazine during the cruise portion. You can lead a pilot to currency, but you can't make him actually learn anything while doing it. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
I can't tell you how many approaches I watch people make where they
couldn't possible land at the end. Ok, fair enough (though in the example you cite it seems like he could have circled to land). I'd have to ask what you think the purpose of currency requirements is. If it is to repeatedly prove that you can still do =all= aspects of instrument flying by actually =doing= all aspects of instrument flying, I'd say that's overkill. Jose -- Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully understands this holds the world in his hands. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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New IFR Currency requirements...!
An instrument take-off can be done under the hood, but the
FAA practice has been to put the hood on at 100-200 feet. And then fail an engine on a twin. "Don Poitras" wrote in message ... | Dan wrote: | So what does everyone think about the proposed new IFR currency | requirements? The major changes seem to be that 1 hour of cross- | country time will be required, along with six approaches, consisting | of BOTH precision and non-precision, and two types of holds. | | Some of this can be completed in a PCATD, but an instructor must be | present. (I wonder if a remote MSFS console via the Internet counts..) | | Most of it sounds OK to me, however I think the 1 hour of cross- | country time is pointless. What would be considered cross-country? It | is a little vague... | | Here is the link: | | http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...df/E7-1467.pdf | | The interesting bit starts on page 31 of the PDF. | | I've never done a takeoff under the hood. I wonder if it would be ok if | I did that just before rotating or if it needs to be done for the | entire roll. I'm glad my home airport runway is 100 feet wide... | | Yes, I know we can legally take off zero zero. It's just not something | I think I need to practice every six months. | | With a /G plane, the hold over the radio station and intersection are | no different. I wonder where these requirements are coming from? Has | someone been complaining that pilots aren't doing holds very well and | should practice more? An hour cross country? My last currency ride actually | did last more than an hour. We didn't cross much country though. We | did a GPS at Chapel Hill and from the hold at the missed went to the | nearby IAP for the GPS at my home airport at Sanford. They're 21 miles | apart. | | | --Dan | | | -- | Don Poitras |
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On Feb 25, 8:14 am, Roy Smith wrote:
Pointless? No. I do agree with you that's it's a little vague. I'd like to see them define better what they mean by "cross country". There are various definitions of cross country in the book for various purposes. I think what makes sense here is "a full stop landing at an airport 50 miles from your point of departure", although I suppose Alaska bush pilots might object to having their destination limited to an airport. The definition of cross-country time per FAR 61.1 (3) only requires the flight to include a landing at a point other than the point of departure. The 50 NM only apply for the purpose of obtaining aeronautical experience for the obtention of a private, commercial and ATP certificates. (3) Cross-country time means- (i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight- (A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate; (B) Conducted in an aircraft; (C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and (D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point. |
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