A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Military Aviation
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Cobalt



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old December 10th 03, 11:18 PM
Dan Welch
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Cobalt

Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan


  #2  
Old December 10th 03, 11:47 PM
Keith Willshaw
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Dan Welch" wrote in message
...
Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very

vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan



The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
but not quite that bad.

Keith


  #3  
Old December 11th 03, 01:13 AM
Dan Welch
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?

Cheers
dan

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...

"Dan Welch" wrote in message
...
Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very

vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan



The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
but not quite that bad.

Keith




  #4  
Old December 11th 03, 01:34 AM
Jim Yanik
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Dan Welch" wrote in news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
1.news.uk.worldonline.com:

thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?

Cheers
dan

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...

"Dan Welch" wrote in message
...
Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very

vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan



The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
but not quite that bad.

Keith






Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.

It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net
  #5  
Old December 11th 03, 01:49 AM
Brett
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Jim Yanik" wrote:
| "Dan Welch" wrote in
news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
| 1.news.uk.worldonline.com:
|
| thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know
if the
| whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
| Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?
|
| Cheers
| dan
|
| "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Dan Welch" wrote in message
| ...
| Hello,
| from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s,
they
| mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I
very
| vaguely
| remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
| cheers
| dan
|
|
|
| The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
| weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
| fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
| could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
| but not quite that bad.
|
| Keith
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout
bombs,Cobalt-60
| being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the
half-life is
| for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.
|
| It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.

And the original "cobalt bomb" was a cancer radiotherapy device.

http://www.usask.ca/research/news/994316710.shtml



  #6  
Old December 11th 03, 02:15 AM
Chad Irby
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.


A little over five years, which makes for a very nasty fallout pattern.

The thing is, you would have needed a *lot* of cobalt bombs to kill (or
even seriously harm) all life on Earth. Outside of prompt fallout
patterns, you wouldn't see a lot of cobalt-60 contamination (the jacket
of cobalt would have been pretty inefficient at making the -60 isotope).

Basically, every Soviet warhead would have had to have been coated with
a hundred pounds or so of cobalt, and that was never going to happen.

You couldn't get a single bomb to vaporize enough cobalt, either, even
in the 100 megaton range.

Due to the way weather patterns work, the southern hemisphere would have
been mostly spared, too - you don't get a lot of mixing between north
and south.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.
  #7  
Old December 11th 03, 04:12 AM
miso
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

You will find the first part of this interview with John Burns (NY
Times) relevant to cobalt-60:
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml...ate=11/25/2003


"Dan Welch" wrote in message ...
Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan

  #8  
Old December 11th 03, 04:23 AM
Steve Hix
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

In article ,
"Dan Welch" wrote:

thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.


Enhanced fallout, mainly.

Co60 is a gamma and beta emitter, with a half-life of about 5 years;
pretty hot, and if ingested will dump most of its load during the
ingestees normal life, assuming a sublethal dose.

It's used for some medical applications.
  #9  
Old December 11th 03, 04:50 AM
George Ruch
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Dan Welch" wrote in news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
1.news.uk.worldonline.com:


The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
but not quite that bad.

Keith


Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.


According to
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/resourc...pdf/cobalt.pdf, 5.2 years.

See also http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...1111.Ph.r.html
for the potential effects of Goldfinger's fictional, but quite nasty,
cobalt/iodine weapon on the contents of Fort Knox, KY.

/------------------------------------------------------------\
| George Ruch |
| "Is there life in Clovis after Clovis Man?" |
\------------------------------------------------------------/

It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.


  #10  
Old December 11th 03, 04:55 AM
robert arndt
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Dan Welch" wrote in message
...
Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very

vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan



http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm

Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...

Rob
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
AIRCRAFT MUNITIONS - THE COBALT BOMB Garrison Hilliard Military Aviation 1 August 29th 03 09:22 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.