best US jet vs Russian jets?

Scott Ferrin wrote:
(BUFDRVR) wrote:
Someone wrote:

who do you think would win in a fight? putin or bush?

I think Bush is in better shape, but Putins got him in size...I think??

ISTR that Putin is a Black Belt

Ain't no match for "Cowboy" Bush's Colt .45 Six-Shooter...

I wuz borin...under a waaaaanderin' star

"Stinky Pete" wrote in message
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Well...it's been a romp for US jets pretty much always.

Just look at the record of Russki jets in the first Gulf War, the Balkans,
Libya and Israel vs. Syria in the Bekaa valley.

This should give you some idea why jets like the Gripen, Eurofighter and
Rafale can seem to sell for diddly. In the past 10 years, they've probably
sold for export 20 aircraft between the three of them. Germany came real
close to bailing out of the Eurofighter program. If it wasn't for India,
Russia wouldn't sell anything either.


i can buy several new migs for the price of one stealth fighter.

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message
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Captain! wrote:
"ville terminale" wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.


who do you think would win in a fight? putin or bush?


What kind of a fight?
Please describe the setting and the rules Cap'n.


hand to hand. no weapons. no rules.
(imagine the pay-per-view revenue)

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I believe Arafat will outlast Sharon politically.

Probably.

Eventually Sharon will loose an election

Sharon is in trouble now.

Arafat is in for life

Christian Arabs have nowhere lese to go.

It's the difference between a democratically elected politician and
a
tyrant...

Not exactly.

Surely that's pretty much the textbook definition of the difference
between
the two...?!

That would depend on who's textbook you read. Arafat has no problem
winning
elections

Heck, neither did Saddam Hussien. What's your point? Dictators win elections
not because they are loved but because people don't want to disappear.

and Sharon is about all done. Where else do you think Christian
Arabs have to go?

Well, plenty are Israeli citizens.

Israel has plenty of options other than Sharon.

True, but you will notice things seem to happen to people, like the
Palestinian Prime Minister a while back, who begin to be seen as
alternatives to Arafat.

DEP

The question is training method and quality of the pilots. Are they able to
work independently? Tied to ground controllers? Well trained on their planes
and equipment? What weapons are on the planes? Good radars and missiles or
"export versions?" And what generation are the respective planes?

If it is an out and out fight I go with F-22A. Best balance. I would want
the pilot to be the best, though. One of the deadliest North Vietnamese
aces, Col. Tomb, flew a MiG-17.

DEP

(ville terminale) wrote in message . com...
i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

Perhaps. Check out what happened at Cope India '04. F-15C vs Su-30
Vanilla (as well as Mirage 2000, MiG-29, MiG-21). Predictably the
Yanks were murdered in WVR while they dominated BVR engagements.
Weather this is significant will emerge only as the ROE and other
details of the games become available.

The carefully leaked USAF:IAF loss rate of 4:1 was a win-win for both
the parties involved, for very different reasons.

ville terminale wrote:
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In article ,
ville terminale wrote:

i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.



okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

I don't know.
Why don't you try the experiment and tell us the result

Captain! wrote:

"Stinky Pete" wrote in message
et...

Well...it's been a romp for US jets pretty much always.

Just look at the record of Russki jets in the first Gulf War, the Balkans,
Libya and Israel vs. Syria in the Bekaa valley.

This should give you some idea why jets like the Gripen, Eurofighter and
Rafale can seem to sell for diddly. In the past 10 years, they've probably
sold for export 20 aircraft between the three of them. Germany came real
close to bailing out of the Eurofighter program. If it wasn't for India,
Russia wouldn't sell anything either.



i can buy several new migs for the price of one stealth fighter.


Can YOU really buy either 8-) ??

Captain! wrote:

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message
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Captain! wrote:

"ville terminale" wrote in message
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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.


who do you think would win in a fight? putin or bush?



What kind of a fight?
Please describe the setting and the rules Cap'n.



hand to hand. no weapons. no rules.
(imagine the pay-per-view revenue)


Ok. I already made my predictions
for that scenario!
See my other posting

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message
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Captain! wrote:

"Stinky Pete" wrote in message
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Well...it's been a romp for US jets pretty much always.

Just look at the record of Russki jets in the first Gulf War, the
Balkans,
Libya and Israel vs. Syria in the Bekaa valley.

This should give you some idea why jets like the Gripen, Eurofighter and
Rafale can seem to sell for diddly. In the past 10 years, they've
probably
sold for export 20 aircraft between the three of them. Germany came real
close to bailing out of the Eurofighter program. If it wasn't for India,
Russia wouldn't sell anything either.



i can buy several new migs for the price of one stealth fighter.


Can YOU really buy either 8-) ??


I think he was talking about plastic models that you glue together and
paint. His mom musta took 'im to the toy store and got him all excited.