Don Henly, Dubya, & Linda Ronstadt

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 6:13 PM Central Daylight Time
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:17:51 -0500, "Billy Preston"
wrote:

The link you provided, says ATC personnel conduct air defense operations ...

Reporting aircraft offcourse with transponders shut down is exactly that.

It happens every day that aircraft are off course with transponder errors or
failures.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

* US * wrote:

"...the two generals knowingly violated mandatory procedures ..."

http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/BruceGagnon.htm

No wonder you don't have any idea what you're talking about, look at the web
sites you read! I stopped reading when Mr. Gagnon tried to claim initial
contact with Payne Stewart's jet was by a pair of "immediately scrambled two
jets". Initial contact with Payne Stewart's jet was by an F-16 from the test
wing at Eglin who was on a local training sortie over the Gulf of Mexico. The
first jets scrambled to "escort" Stewart's jet were from Fort Smith, Arkansas
*hours* after Stewart's aircraft stopped responding.

Do yourself a favor, buy a clue and stay away from the "black helicopter" web
sites.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"Pete" wrote in
:


"BUFDRVR" wrote

Howard Berkowitz wrote:

In fairness, also a two-ship at Langley, in VA

True, I forgot about the guys at Langley. They were "Happy Hooligans"
from Fargo, ND right?

I believe that is correct.

Right. Buddy of mine watched them launch that morning.

Me too.
I was less than half a mile from the alert hangar.

IBM

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"Billy Preston" wrote in message
news:CRKTc.2936$ni.912@okepread01...
"Pete" wrote

You've provided nothing to refute.

Specifically, what units were ordered to 'stand down'?

Give it a break already. He doesn't know!


I know. But sometimes the trolls are too much fun to leave alone.

Pete

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 9:53 PM Central Daylight Time
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http://www.standdown.net/index.htm

Not a refutation in sight, no matter how much I'd like to see it.

Please, someone, prove that SOP were followed on 9/11.

Prove it wasn't.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 9:53 PM Central Daylight Time
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:41:39 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

Please research and tell us ...

Why don't you already know what you should know?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:17:51 -0500, "Billy Preston"
wrote:

The link you provided, says ATC personnel conduct air defense operations ...

Reporting aircraft offcourse with transponders shut down is exactly that.

In other words you have no idea what "air defense operations" means.

Now I am convinced you are maron.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: * US *
Date: 8/15/2004 9:17 AM Central Daylight Time
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:06:08 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

... up the dosage ...

Bush is a convicted drug abuser.

Prove it.

Pilots were forced to take amphetamines
before they killed those Canadians in Afghanistan.

Prove it.

snip


The Bush administration thwarted automatic responses in
favor of making officials request permission before taking
defensive action, and they did so knowing of the attack
being imminent. They created a delay without which the
crimes of 9/11 could not have had the magnitude they did.

Repeating your assertions proves nothing, maron.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

From: * US *
Date: 8/15/2004 9:17 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:06:08 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

... up the dosage ...

Bush is a convicted drug abuser.

Prove it.

Pilots were forced to take amphetamines
before they killed those Canadians in Afghanistan.

"Forced" is too strong a word. There has been legitimate study within
the military that concluded the benefits outweighted risk, such as
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...97/cornum.html
[1]. See Navy doctrine in www.safetycenter.navy.mil/aviation/
aeromedical/downloads/performancemanual.pdf

The basic principle is that no one takes stimulants unless authorized by
flight surgeons (in specific doses), and the crewdog can choose not to
take them. In appropriate doses, medically supervised amphetamines and
related drugs have not been shown to impair judgment. If anything, they
may improve decisionmaking in fatigued personnel

It is absolutely understood among flight surgeons that they are not a
substitute for rest, but they can defer the need. This can add to
safety, for example, when ferry flight times exceed usual allowable
flight duration, or when a combat emergency requires taking people out
of crew rest.


[1] Given that the study has both Army flight surgeon Rhonda Cornum and
Air Force flight surgeon Cory Cornum as coauthors, that a married
couple agree on it might give special credence! ;-)