Garmin 195 screen problem

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter

John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

--

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:07:40 GMT, Peter Dohm
wrote:

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter


Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.
John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

On 28 Nov 2003 04:02 PM, Peter Dohm posted the following:
I don't know about Paintshop Pro, but Autocad used to be available for
the Mac - although they might sell it to you all over again.

Autodesk dropped Mac support a long time ago, I think back around
version 12, so it wouldn't even run in OSX.

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In article , clare @ snyder.on .ca
writes:


I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter


Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.


You have now! I also found OS/2 to be far better than even the most current
versions of Windoz and that was several years ago.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here running
everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a problem.
Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
problems.

Coupla comments:
1. I never have problems with the OS or installation or extra software.
Tech support does the first two and I don't attempt the third. I don't
run any MS software at home on a regular basis.
2. My own problems are all with the (*&^ MS applications and help
systems. If (heaven forbid!) we wanted a serious apples to apples :-)
discussion, we could talk about, say, print problems. The other day I
was filling out a form. 8 minutes to do the text, maybe 20 minutes
trying to get the stuff to format properly on the screen (it kept
readjusting itself), and then when that was done, it wouldn't print
right. If it takes a secret decoder ring to disable some unannunciated
mode that is "helping" you, that's bad software design and
documentation. Sometime check out any website on bad human factors in
software design -- 90+% of the examples are Microsoft, not because of
their market dominance, but because they have not established the
requisite culture in their user and developer communities. Also, notice
that it has become a badge of pride to learn how to work around the bugs
and poor design features. (The technical term for figuring out how
things actually work [undocumented] is "hacking.") In fact, this
difficulty-of-use has been institutionalized (brilliant marketing,
actually) in the "Microsoft Certified XXX" programs.
3. At one point, I figured out that lost productivity from using MS apps
ran 5 to 10%, depending. In other words, in a 40 hour week, I would
sometimes spend 10% of my time trying to get the software to work as
advertised. To put that in perspective, the annual cost in lost
productivity was greater than the cost of the hardware, software, and
tech support combined. In some conversations with IT folks, my numbers
were considered low. (Sounds like MS left a lot of money on the table...)
4. In the history of technology, Microsoft is at great risk of earning a
reputation primarily for establishing an international culture of bad
software design and implementation, and training generations of users
that they are too stupid to use computers well. Wouldn't it be great if
MS lived up to its own marketing hype? Unfortunately, the Pandora's box
of incompatibilities and unmaintainabilities has been opened, and not
even MS is rich enough or technically capable enough to close that box.
There may be many responses to this particular comment, and keen readers
would serve themselves well to observe how many of those responses are
dysfunctional or in denial or off topic.

Take away the frivolously flippant attitudes of my previous posts, and
there is entirely too much painful truth there. The tragedy is that
nobody wins -- neither pundits, nor consumers, nor the computing
community at large, nor MS. What lost opportunities. What a shame.

Ed "there's a reason I'm no longer in the computer industry" Wischmeyer

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in message

Gotta agree with you John. Been in this computer business since
before
Windows - and although there have been bugs, it's a whole lot
better
than the Dos 3.11 days - and that was NOT a Microsoft product. It
was
an IBM Aberration.(or abortion)

IBM needed an operating system for their first PC, Bill Gates and a
friend provided it to them while working out of his fathers garage at
home. DOS was OK but could not handle any real graphics. Did you
really try doing anything with win 3, real crap. Personally I never
bothered with windows until 3.1, at least that worked.

Microsoft products are remarkably reliable and trouble free
compared
to the "competition".

Have to agree with you there, right from Works 2 for DOS, Microsoft
has produced an easy to use interface that others have struggled to
copy. Lotus Ami Pro is the only Word processor that comes any where
near Word in usability.

Jonathan



"Word Imperfect" - what a laugh. Lotus Ami Pro - give me a break.
Word, on the other hand? Very good.
Add Borland to the mix, and you can have more headaches. Stay with
Microsoft software, and hardware that is on the compatability list,
with microsoft signed drivers - and keep off the internet so you
don't
get viruii, and you are gold.
As for Microsoft and virii, if there was a large enough installed
base
of ANY other operating system to tempt the code kiddies and
hackers,
you can bet your last cent they would find as many or more
weaknesses
in EVERY other OS out there. That includes Linux, Apple System X,
or
what have you.

'Nuff said.
"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I
find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:23:36 -0600, "John Stricker"
wrote:

Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here
running
everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a
problem.
Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create
myself
problems.

First, I am not a booster of MS and I don't even like them and
their
ethics, but:


It was the rise in the use of sound cards that gave me a lot of work
re-installing windows, some of the cards would blow resulting in
corrupting the HDD. This was great from my point of view as there was
no data to recover onto floppies or my much used ZIP drive, so it
only required a new card and a clean install; we blamed the client
over his lost data, we did train them in backing up everything.

For some years, CD drives gone bad cause the system to grind to a
halt, thankfully that's not too common now.

My pet hates are, anything a client may use to install any new
applications, games or updated printer drivers etc, floppy drives,
zip drives, cd rom drives and the worst of all that annoying modem
thingy. Provided none of these attachements are on your clients
computer then they cannot do too much damage to their own system
other than formatting the hard drive.

I only have 4 here on a P to P network that run 24 X 7 with the
CPUs
staying at nearly 100% utilization.

I have 7 machines, 4 are working. one is in the lounge with it's own
printer, setup for the wife to use. Three are in my 'office', why so
many for my own use, that's because I split up functions between the
three machines. 1 is used for most of my work, printing, internet, 2
is used for testing all those annoying broken printers people keep
sending me for repair, running my scanner and burning CD's etc, 3 is
em, now just why do I have a third machine connected to my network,
can't think of any good reason, Oh yeh, because it's there.

My wife's system stayed on 98 and then 98 SE for a longggg time
before
going to XP Pro. She wouldn't let me change it as it always worked
and
she kept hearing horror stories about other people's crashing.

My wife did try to use a computer, however, she is still worried
about all the harm you can do to a computer by doing something wrong;
we all know that, well really, what harm can you do to a computer
just writing a letter.

Like you John, I had no problems with ME.


me is a desease that Microsoft created for the PC just to prove they
could do it too.

The only problems I've had have been related to line noise,
application conflicts such as Roxio and Nero being unwilling to run
on
the same machine and those of my own making.


Anything a client can update themselves is the worst application, had
a job on a machine that the client tried to update to IE-6 from ver
5.5 and screwed it up.


--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
...
I liked OS/2 much better!


If you moved the mouse while OS/2 was thinking, you generally lost
the mouse and keyboard. I think what really killed OS/2 was windose
support, no softwear house would bother writing applications for an
operating system it will run windose badly.
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)



Regards
Peter

John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the
term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years
now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has
been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant
software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more
to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do
themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's
limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications,
I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

--

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:07:40 GMT, Peter Dohm
wrote:

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter


Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of
ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.

All thirty floppy disks, then no application to run on it. However,
linux took three hours to install the package from cd, then over
night to compile.
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)


John Stricker wrote:

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the
term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen
years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has
been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant
software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more
to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do
themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's
limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" wrote in message
...
Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications,
I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

(BPattonsoa) wrote:

This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
Garmin and you start a minor flame war.

So, does anyone want to answer the original question? Anyone having a lot of
problems with Garmin 195 screens?

Bruce Patton
RV-6A 596S
HP-18 5596S

Questions such as yours are better asked in rec.aviation.piloting
where there is a much larger readership and participation.

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com