Piper Cub Vs F-15

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...

Actually, I think you'll find a Piper Cub is always a J-3.

According to http://www.pipercubforum.com/whats.htm, a "Piper Cub" could be
a J-2, J-3, J-4, J-5, or PA-11. Closely related to the Cub are the PA-12,
PA-14, and PA-18.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:40:52 GMT, Greasy Rider @ Invalid.com wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:53:35 -0600, Ed Rasimus
proclaimed:

Not much good for travel, but it was
easy to "dance the sky" and the yellow aero-doped wings were pretty
easy to "laughter-silver."

"laughter-silver." is a term I'm not familiar with. Care to enlighten
me?

Refer to John Gillespie Magee.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:34:59 -0600, Ed Rasimus
proclaimed
obliquely :

John Gillespie Magee

Ain't Google great?

Subject: Piper Cub Vs F-15
From: "Emilio"
Date: 6/29/2004 11:13 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

It is hard to believe that F-15 can fly formation with Piper Cub.

http://www.pipercubforum.com/intercep.htm

Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that low
speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a
stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest!

Emilio.

The article is from ANN which automatically makes the details automatically
suspect. If it was written my Jim "Capt Zoom" Campbell it is near fiction even
based on an actual event. For a little overview see:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/zoom.html

What tripped my BS alarm was the C-172's pilot's first hint he wasn't alone was
the "smell of burning paint." Unless the guy was stone deaf would he not have
heard the F-15 if it were close enough to smell? I'm am not saying the event
didn't occur, just not the way it was written.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Mike" wrote in message
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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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"Emilio" wrote in message
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It is hard to believe that F-15 can fly formation with Piper Cub.

http://www.pipercubforum.com/intercep.htm

Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that
low
speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a
stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest!

That was more to do with the poor planning and complacency of the pilots
than the FBW system.

John



The pilots had a) ignored the 'low altitude' warning, b) thought they were
flying at 100 feet rather than the actual 30, and c) hadn't anticipated or
allowed for the delay in pushing the throttle and the engines actually
responding.

They had also lined up on the wrong runway for the display they were doing,
and disabled the alpha floor function (?) which normally protects the
plane's speed.

A common theme in a lot of these modern crashes is the immense over reliance
pilots place in the automated systems.

If you point the plane at the ground and turn off the engines, it will still
crash. A sobering thought.

John

In message ,
lid writes
"laughter-silver." is a term I'm not familiar with. Care to enlighten
me?

John Gillespie McGee's poem, "High Flight", refers to 'laughter-silvered
wings' while describing the sheer joy of flying.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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While a "Piper Cub" may not be a Taylorcraft or an Aeronca, I've seen
it applied quite comfortably to a J-4 and (IIRC) J-6. They probably
had a proper corporate nomenclature, but as canvas-sided,
tail-dragging, Continental-powered, products of Piper Aircraft, they
pretty much got stuck with the moniker.


There are those who use "Piper Cub" to describe any light aircraft, and some
refer to all of the long-wing rag-and-tube Pipers as Cubs.

My earlier statement, that a Piper Cub is always a J-3, was not quite
correct. While all of the Cubs prior to the J-3 (E-2, F-2, H-2, and J-2)
were certificated by Taylor Aircraft Company, a few J-2s were built after
the company moved from Bradford to Lock Haven and became Piper. The J-3
supplanted the J-2 six months after the move.

There were later variants as well, but they weren't just called "Cub". The
J-4 was called the "Cub Coupe", the J-5 the "Cub Cruiser", and the PA-18 the
"Super Cub".



I got my first flying lessons and solo hours in a J-3 and wish
fervently that I owned one today. Not much good for travel, but it was
easy to "dance the sky" and the yellow aero-doped wings were pretty
easy to "laughter-silver."


I own an Aeronca 7AC, similar performance to a J-3 but you get to sit up
front where you can see.

Greasy Rider @ Invalid.com wrote in message
...

"laughter-silver." is a term I'm not familiar with. Care to enlighten
me?


It's from the poem "High Flight".

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:MijEc.130736$HG.83348@attbi_s53...

According to http://www.pipercubforum.com/whats.htm, a "Piper Cub"
could be a J-2, J-3, J-4, J-5, or PA-11. Closely related to the Cub are
the PA-12, PA-14, and PA-18.


A few J-2s were built by Piper, the majority were built by Taylor. The J-4
was called the "Cub Coupe", the J-5 was called the "Cub Cruiser", the PA-11
was called the "Cub Special", the PA-12 was called the "Super Cruiser", the
PA-14 was called the "Family Cruiser", and the PA-18 was called the "Super
Cub".

Alan Dicey wrote in message ...
Emilio wrote:

Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that low
speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a
stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest!


The F15 does not have what avionics people think of as fly-by-wire. In
fly-by-wire the control surfaces are moved by the computer alone, which
integrates control inputs (pilots suggestions) with the aircrafts
position in the flight envelope (the sensed environment). In
fly-by-wire there is no mechanical connection between the pilot and the
control surfaces. The F-15 has hydromechanical connections between the
pilots controls and the ailerons, stabilators and rudders.

What the F-15 does have is a stability augmentation system.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/f-15e.htm

The first production fly-by-wire aircraft was the F-16.

Concord actually. They even wanted to put sidearm controllers on it.