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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
: "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message news:f6423c42-6781-4f01-bb32-36092af60689 @y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com. .. Just having returned from a 400NM trip, I have to say there are other reasons besides fuel cost that is against GA. Today's automobiles have come a long way in comfort, speed and convenience. The same level of comfort only exists in airplanes that cost several million bucks. The 95F heat this afternoon made the 10 minute taxi and run-up feel like an eternity. Even with the cabin fan at full blast we were suffocating by the time we took off. Then there was the 30 knots headwind all the way, which increased the trip time by a full hour. Even with ANR, the noise was physically draining. Now combine this with a 2-year old in the back seat. I find it is impossible to justify to your family that this is better way of traveling. I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips. Noise, vibration and temperature. In the past 40 years, the improvement in the automobile has been remarkable, in the comparable aircraft, almost no change at all. Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron. Bertie |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron. Bertie You really are thick, aren't you. You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day. |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:66u2k.114$QN1.40
@newsfe15.lga: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Not if you fly a 40 year old airplane, moron. Bertie You really are thick, aren't you. Thicker than you can handle. You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day. Nope, mine are accurate. Bertie |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... You really are thick, aren't you. Thicker than you can handle. You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day. Nope, mine are accurate. Bertie What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually resolving yourself, through your own actions? I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You prove yourself more and more incompetent every day! |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... You really are thick, aren't you. Thicker than you can handle. You and your replies sound more like Anthony every day. Nope, mine are accurate. Bertie What a dumb ass. Are you really to stupid to see that you are actually resolving yourself, through your own actions? Resolving myself? Bwawahwhahwhahwh! Do you even own a dictionary, fjukkard? I think a whole lot of people, have given you way too much credit. You prove yourself more and more incompetent every day! Actually, I haven't. Bertie |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at
an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips. That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile *drive* to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races. At first, the kids were happy, saying "Boy, we've never done anything like this before!" At hour three, they started to get restless, but were still generally happy. By hour five, they wanted out. By hour eight, they never wanted to drive anywhere again. This trip was the best sales pitch for personal flying, ever -- except for those pesky Level 5 storms that just wouldn't move away... Comfort levels. Atlas has XM radio, in-panel CD and (portable) DVD players, and the back seats are positively spacious -- so the kids' experience flying has been almost 100% positive since birth. It's at least as comfortable as driving, with the advantage of having a great view. Of course, all of that goes away if (when?) gas prices double again. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:sQv2k.197984$yE1.110862@attbi_s21: I could not see my family suffer through this ordeal, so I stopped at an airport and rented a brand new Toyota Prius and told them to drive it home, one of the best decision I have made in a long time. It was definitely longer than flying, but it was way more comfy and cost far less than flying. Next time I have decided to drive for family trips. That's so ironic, since I just subjected my family to a 1,000 mile *drive* to Detroit (and back) for the Red Bull Air Races. I'll alert Child Protection. Noone should be subjected to you for that length of time. Bertie |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" wrote:
Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a quarter mile left or right. Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for fuel. None of the above. I'd still rather fly when I can. Jon Here is my latest trip: Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid and noisy. Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C, comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running. A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k. I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from the car, the time savings start to disappear. As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a mode of transportation, but I don't see how. |
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Fighting the high cost of flying
Andrew Sarangan wrote in
: On Jun 7, 2:25 am, "Jon Woellhaf" wrote: Denver to Salt Lake and back. Cessna 182Q. Six hours. $300 for fuel. No traffic, no road construction, no rough roads, no speed limit, can wander a quarter mile left or right. Denver to Salt Lake and back. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Eighteen hours. $200 for fuel. None of the above. I'd still rather fly when I can. Jon Here is my latest trip: Buffalo to Dayton. 4 hours in an Archer. $180 fuel, no A/C. Hot humid and noisy. Buffalo to Dayton, 8 hours in a Toyota Prius Hybrid, $40 gas, A/C, comfy seats, hardly hear the engine running. A 2008 Toyota Prius costs $24k. A 30-year old Archer costs $60k. I did save 4 hours when flying, but if you consider preflight, taxi and driving to/from the airport, loading/unloading the airplane from the car, the time savings start to disappear. 'twas always thus. As a pilot for the past 10 years, I would like to justify flying as a mode of transportation, but I don't see how. You can't and never could. Not unless you had a 310 and someone else was paying for it. Bertie |
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