Scared of mid-airs

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:55:32 GMT, Jose
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http://www.alaska.faa.gov/ata/MACA.htm

PROPER CLEARING/SCANNING TECHNIQUES

An efficient scan pattern is paramount to visual collision
avoidance procedures. In developing a proper scan technique,
remember that when your head is in motion, vision is blurred and
the brain will not be able to identify conflicting traffic.
Therefore a constant motion scan across the windscreen is
practically useless.

A proper scan technique is to divide your field of vision into
blocks approximately 10 to 15 degrees wide. Examine each block
individually using a system that you find comfortable (e g. from
left to right or starting from the left and moving to the right,
then back to the left again). This method enables you to detect
any movement in a single block. It takes only a few seconds to
focus on a single block and detect conflicting traffic.

A moving target attracts attention and is relatively easy to see.
A stationary target or one that is not moving in your windscreen
is very difficult to detect and is the one that can result in a
MIDAIR COLLISION.

The time to perceive and recognize an aircraft, become aware of a
collision potential and decide on appropriate action, may vary
from as little as 2 seconds to as much as 10 seconds or more
depending on the pilot, type of aircraft and geometry of the
closing situation. Aircraft reaction time must also be added. By
the way, any evasive maneuver contemplated should include
maintaining visual contact with the other aircraft if practical.

There you have it. The FAA telling pilots, that for a 90 degree wide
scan field (45 degrees each side of center), it takes more than two
seconds per 15 degree scan block (at 3 seconds per block, that's 18
seconds per full scan), for a pilot to see a stationary traffic
conflict aircraft growing larger, and it can take up to ten seconds
see-and-avoid (for a total of 28 seconds per full scan).

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:49:54 GMT, Larry Dighera
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

Yes.
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:12:37 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:49:54 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

Yes.

Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?

Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

Jose
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:59:32 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:12:37 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:49:54 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

Yes.

Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?

Because some can be flown in visual conditions and some can be flown
in instrument conditions as well. Regardless of weather conditions,
IAW regulations all military flights are conducted on an IFR flight
plan ("to the maximum extent practicable" -- which is regulation-speak
for all of them).

A "flight plan" is merely a record of your intended route of
flight--it can be a VFR or IFR flight plan. Flight plans are filed
with Flight Service Stations--an entity of the FAA, but not an air
traffic controlling agency.

Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR. (I use the
term "military" with some trepidation as I do not know if Army rotary
wing craft do that.)

You really don't know a lot about this do you? Yet, you are steadfast
in your opinions.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:01:36 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

See the post to LD regarding what a flight plan is.

Departures are conducted under ATC. Recoveries are conducted under
ATC. Training time along an MTR, within a MOA, in restricted airspace,
or on a range is usually done without ATC involvement.

If your hypothetical civilian pilot wants ATC to provide him safe
separation from other IFR aircraft, he/she should file an IFR flight
plan, obtain an IFR clearance, and operate in controlled airspace
under ATC's control. They should also look out the window as best they
can.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Jose wrote:
Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

Jose

When I was an air traffic controller at the Denver Enroute Center we
would get a flight strip for, say, a B-52 entering a MTR. It's been a
while but the flight strip would have his entry time for the MTR and a
calculated exit time along with the altitude he'd be climbing to at the
exit point. We didn't track him at all while he was on the route; he
wasn't on radar and, given the nature of an MTR, it would be nearly
impossible to give a civilian pilot an accurate position report of the
B-52.

It's been several years since I've been a controller so things may have
changed.

--Walt Weaver

Jose wrote:

Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting?


No.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Not an FAA flight plan.