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Visual STARs
It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed
with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... ......duh.... "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... If a STAR is marked VISUAL (FUBAR VISUAL APPROACH), and shows hand-drawn paths and landmarks instead of navaids, does that mean it's intended specifically for VFR, or for both VFR and IFR, or what? I'm a bit confused by it because I thought all STARs were instrument approaches. At the same time, I've heard ATC clear commercial flights for the XYZ VISUAL approach, which implies that as long as conditions permit a visual approach, it's okay for IFR, even though it gives only landmarks on the ground. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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dlevy writes:
It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... Is it top secret? Do you have an answer? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Visual STARs
Mxsmanic wrote:
dlevy writes: It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... Is it top secret? Do you have an answer? Yes and I'm not going to share it with you. If you would like to find out the answer, read the books and follow the suggestions given many times here for you to learn it. |
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Visual STARs
Mxsmanic wrote:
dlevy writes: It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... Is it top secret? Do you have an answer? It is not a secret. You will find almost all of the answers to your questions from here. Bookmark this URL. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ns/atpubs/aim/ All pilots should have a hard copy and I have mine, although I will admit that it is out of date. But, I do have access to the web. Just remember that Google is your friend. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP CPCEL-IA KSWI |
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Visual STARs
-----Original Message-----
From: dlevy ] Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:58 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr Conversation: Visual STARs Subject: Visual STARs It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... .....duh.... You know, I was thinking the same thing. All of this information is available in the AIM and other sources, but it would make good sense for someone who wanted to appear to have been taught (therefore screened) to fly in the US to get the "real world" info from active pilots. |
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-----Original Message----- From: Ross ] Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:36 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr Conversation: Visual STARs Subject: Visual STARs .... It is not a secret. You will find almost all of the answers to your questions from here. Bookmark this URL. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...tions/atpubs/a im / All pilots should have a hard copy and I have mine, although I will admit that it is out of date. But, I do have access to the web. Just remember that Google is your friend. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP CPCEL-IA KSWI With the added responsibility placed on CFIs and schools to screen their clients, I wonder if Mr. dlevy doesn't have a valid point? |
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Hash: SHA1 Jim Carter wrote: From: dlevy ] Posted At: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:58 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr It doesn't seem reasonable to me that this information should be discussed with someone that obviously doesn't fly....... .....duh.... You know, I was thinking the same thing. All of this information is available in the AIM and other sources, but it would make good sense for someone who wanted to appear to have been taught (therefore screened) to fly in the US to get the "real world" info from active pilots. Funny thing is, even those in the flightsimming world[1] have told him the same thing that active pilots have said: RTFM. Yet he still either a) refuses to do so, or b) doesn't take their knowledge and experience to mind, considers it wrong. Yet he isn't getting respect in neither world. BL. [1] Pilots and ATC in the flightsimming world who happen to be real world pilots and controllers. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvosByBkZmuMZ8L8RArAOAJ9WoHSNpuSJUQOdz9TYsX j6q2UirgCcCfeu G90WJXxY7HvSrrmi5B9v/DA= =DWvA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Visual STARs
Ross writes:
Just remember that Google is your friend. Unless pilots on the Internet. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Jim Carter writes:
With the added responsibility placed on CFIs and schools to screen their clients, I wonder if Mr. dlevy doesn't have a valid point? If so, you may as well shut down the newsgroup. Security by obscurity doesn't work. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Jim Carter writes:
You know, I was thinking the same thing. All of this information is available in the AIM and other sources, but it would make good sense for someone who wanted to appear to have been taught (therefore screened) to fly in the US to get the "real world" info from active pilots. You must be joking. "Active pilots?" Nobody here is for real as far as I'm concerned; I've been on USENET too long for that. You read and then you verify. The person who answers you might or might not be a pilot--you cannot trust what he says about that, and in any case it doesn't matter, as long as the answer is right (or if the answer is wrong). And so many pilots on these newsgroups have already been wrong, in a way blatant enough to be obvious even to me, that I wouldn't trust anything that anyone here says exclusively. I suppose if someone wanted to appear just as ill-informed as some real-world GA pilots, trying to get an idea of their mistakes might be a motivation for coming here. But stupidity and ignorance know no frontiers, so it wouldn't make anyone seem more like a US pilot. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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