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xyzzy wrote:
On Jan 23, 1:36 pm, Gig 601XL Builder wrote: Gig 601XL Builder wrote: B A R R Y wrote: Folks, I'm starting to research my next plane. Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification research? Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd actually prefer printed material. Thanks! Note a book but... http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/ Oh and I forgot to mention it has this page.http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/advsearch.shtml where you can enter the specs you are looking for and it will give you a list of matching planes. It would be a lot more useful if you could say for example twin or not, retractable gear or not, tailwheel or not. 200+ results with a bunch of twins isn't that useful to me... Yes it would be nice as would being able to set the number of seats. But for the cost it is the best I've been able to find. |
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"B A R R Y" wrote: We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. That's a Mooney you're describing: http://tinyurl.com/3d62fc ....or maybe a Commander: http://tinyurl.com/34rn9h ....or maybe a 182RG: http://tinyurl.com/2qn8xo -- Dan T-182T at BFM |
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"Dan Luke" wrote ... "B A R R Y" wrote: We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. That's a Mooney you're describing: ...or maybe a Commander: ...or maybe a 182RG: And if the 5th seat is critical, look at a Piper Lance. |
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
... "B A R R Y" wrote: We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. That's a Mooney you're describing: ...or maybe a Commander: ...or maybe a 182RG: I fell in love w/ and bought a Trinidad last year; fits all the mission descriptors you give. The TB-20 (or 21, if you want turbo for a bit more $$) will fit all your parameters. I also agree w/ Dan's listings, except for the Mooney (since you also mention you want to put large folks in the plane)--the 50" cabin width of the TBs was one of the biggest selling points for me. http://tinyurl.com/yvy5a3 The only other plane that made my short list was the Comanche (cabin width & newer airframes ultimately swayed me to the TB). You'll have to try hard to spend over $100K these days, though (I removed the floor from this search). http://tinyurl.com/2c7rzh Good luck! -- Doug "Where am I to go/Now that I've gone too far?" -- Golden Earring, "Twilight Zone" (my email is spam-proofed; read the address and make the appropriate change to contact me) |
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message .. . Kingfish wrote: Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft Will do! What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right? That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD). We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1" 225, and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher (who doesn't? G) and possibly gain some load. I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc... A36 its a good step up from the Sundowner. |
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May as well stay in the family and get a Bonanza. You can get a Bo that
meets all your needs with the S35 and newer. The S35's will run less than $100K. I have the S35 and you will get 175 kts cruise on 14 gph. Just farting around the local area? Then 8 gph for 130 kts. You want 150 knots then all you'll need is 10 gph. No aircraft you'll look at short of the new glass planes like Cirrus and Lancair are as efficient, but with those you'll get murdered with insurance. The S35 and newer are 6 seaters but teriffic as four seaters. I have 1260 lbs useful with four seats in. The main reason I got it was the cabin is huge compared to the 182 I had. I wanted space, especially for camping. With just two seats in I don't really need to pack, just pitch the crap in there and go. I had a 182 for 7 years prior to getting the Bo 2 1/2 years ago. Here's my costs. Annuals. The 182 was always around $1000 if nothing big was wrong. The Bo is about $1500-1800. Insurance: The 182 settled right in at $1000 a year for a $70K hull. The Bo is $2300 and dropping for a $90K hull. I expect it to be in the mid to high teens after another year or two. Where I save money is gas. Because the 182 would only indicate 135-140 mph at top of the green I always ran there burning 12.5 gph. At the same speed the Bo burns 7 gph. In the local area I normally run around at 45% power burning 8 gph. On a trip from here in Montana to the Twin Cities I shave an hour off the trip and burn 5 less gallons then the 182. I never would have considered a Mooney. Main reason is they are pavement only planes. I got to be able to go off road. The Bo has more prop clearance than my 182 had and I had an oversize nosewheel. Also I did not like the Mooney interior. Way too small and I really didn't like sitting with my legs straight out. Plus the windows are like pillbox slits compared to the Bo. B A R R Y wrote: Kingfish wrote: Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft Will do! What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right? That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD). We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1" 225, and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher (who doesn't? G) and possibly gain some load. I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc... |
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B,
We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. That's easy: Socata TB-20 Trinidad. See www.socata.org both for a great user community and some offers. You won't find anything as spacious and modern (recent design, not too old airframe) anywhere else in that price range. With a bench seat in the back, it will seat five, although the usual weight limitations apply. We're talking about a design from the late 70s, early 80s, and an aircraft from the late 80s, early 90s. And it shows. If you don't care about age, a Bo comes to mind. A Rockwell 114 might be an option, too. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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B,
Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification research? Aviation Consumer's Used Aircraft Guide. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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What is the S35 model? What years were they produced?
Thanks. "Newps" wrote in message . .. May as well stay in the family and get a Bonanza. You can get a Bo that meets all your needs with the S35 and newer. The S35's will run less than $100K. I have the S35 and you will get 175 kts cruise on 14 gph. Just farting around the local area? Then 8 gph for 130 kts. You want 150 knots then all you'll need is 10 gph. No aircraft you'll look at short of the new glass planes like Cirrus and Lancair are as efficient, but with those you'll get murdered with insurance. The S35 and newer are 6 seaters but teriffic as four seaters. I have 1260 lbs useful with four seats in. The main reason I got it was the cabin is huge compared to the 182 I had. I wanted space, especially for camping. With just two seats in I don't really need to pack, just pitch the crap in there and go. I had a 182 for 7 years prior to getting the Bo 2 1/2 years ago. Here's my costs. Annuals. The 182 was always around $1000 if nothing big was wrong. The Bo is about $1500-1800. Insurance: The 182 settled right in at $1000 a year for a $70K hull. The Bo is $2300 and dropping for a $90K hull. I expect it to be in the mid to high teens after another year or two. Where I save money is gas. Because the 182 would only indicate 135-140 mph at top of the green I always ran there burning 12.5 gph. At the same speed the Bo burns 7 gph. In the local area I normally run around at 45% power burning 8 gph. On a trip from here in Montana to the Twin Cities I shave an hour off the trip and burn 5 less gallons then the 182. I never would have considered a Mooney. Main reason is they are pavement only planes. I got to be able to go off road. The Bo has more prop clearance than my 182 had and I had an oversize nosewheel. Also I did not like the Mooney interior. Way too small and I really didn't like sitting with my legs straight out. Plus the windows are like pillbox slits compared to the Bo. B A R R Y wrote: Kingfish wrote: Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft Will do! What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right? That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD). We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR & autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear options. We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1" 225, and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher (who doesn't? G) and possibly gain some load. I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc... |
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"dlevy" wrote in message .. . What is the S35 model? What years were they produced? Thanks. 1964 and 1965 -- *H. Allen Smith* WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there. |
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