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jls wrote:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:Z1LVd.21110$Sn6.8789@lakeread03... Jughugs wrote: "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's That's your opinion. Since you can't debate without being abusive this discussion is closed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Ah, but Dan snip If I read what you wrote correctly you feel questions about of criminal behaviour don't belong in a medical exam. I say they do for the simple reason they are evaluating you physically and mentally. When you start going to see a shrink or counselor that is one thing that will come up when you fill out your initial paperwork. It is important to know when evaluating the patient. While I don't agree with some of the logic used in FAA medical determinations I do fully understand that if you want to fly, and the agency that will allow you to do that has deemed certain questions must be asked you have to honestly answer the questions. If it weeds out a few nut cases then it serves the purpose. Let's face it, it's the only game in town. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:Z1LVd.21110$Sn6.8789@lakeread03... That's your opinion. Since you can't debate without being abusive this discussion is closed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Oh relax you old codger... if you would have went Marines you might have a tougher hide. Let's say you catch one of your grandchildren burning ants with a magifying glass... does that mean that they are going to grow up abusing animals or worse yet... a Serial Killer!?!?! Of course not. |
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("Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote)
If I read what you wrote correctly you feel questions about of criminal behaviour don't belong in a medical exam. I say they do for the simple reason they are evaluating you physically and mentally. When you start going to see a shrink or counselor that is one thing that will come up when you fill out your initial paperwork. It is important to know when evaluating the patient. How much debt are you carrying? Stressed about it? ....just give us your financials and we'll determine things we need to determine based on your financials. Montblack |
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("Jughugs" wrote)
Let's say you catch one of your grandchildren burning ants with a magifying glass... does that mean that they are going to grow up abusing animals or worse yet... a Serial Killer!?!?! Of course not. Was she pulling the little ant's legs off first? Montblack |
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"Montblack" wrote in message ... ("Jughugs" wrote) Let's say you catch one of your grandchildren burning ants with a magifying glass... does that mean that they are going to grow up abusing animals or worse yet... a Serial Killer!?!?! Of course not. Was she pulling the little ant's legs off first? Montblack What an endorphen release! Best laugh I had in a while. Does that make me a user? |
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If it weeds out a
few nut cases then it serves the purpose. Let's face it, it's the only game in town. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired As an extremely honest person who has never used an illegal drug and has served in the military I would like to disagree. Undoubtedly, if we kept former military members from flying, we would "weed out a few nut cases". If this is your standard for good law, you need to stop voting. Okay, I think its worthwhile to make a check of criminal records for people who want a PPL. I also think it makes sense that we ask on some form somewhere. I think the Medical is not likely the best place, but it was expedient to use so I understand it. |
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Jughugs wrote:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's No, that is pretty well known. It is very hard for drug abusers to quit, whether the drug is nicotine, alcohol or something else. Past users are very much more likely to be future users. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... No, that is pretty well known. It is very hard for drug abusers to quit, whether the drug is nicotine, alcohol or something else. Past users are very much more likely to be future users. Matt Ok... well let's take your example then.. which is... apples and oranges*. Should we NOT allow folks who consume nicotine and alcohol to fly? I'm sure that would desimate over half of the ATP population for sure. *An ILLEGAL drug user is more likely to quit and stay that way than one of the LEGAL drug consumers. |
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" jls" wrote in : Ah, but Dannie, they can prosecute you for lying about a lot of other little sins you may have committed and not fessed up to on that airman medical form: much snippage Another good reason that I'll likely be a Sport Pilot instead of a PPL... No medical, no intrusion! -- -- ET :-) "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."---- Douglas Adams |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:41:24 -0600, "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired"
wrote: AINut wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: AINut wrote: He might have the same thoughts that I have: 1) It's none of the FAA's business what crimes you may or may not have committed -- if you already done your time, you've paid your dues. The FAA medical process is exceptionally intrusive into your private affairs in the supposed name of flight safety. Frankly, there's no "privacy issue" here anyhow. Criminal records are public knowledge. 2) the FAA has no NEED of old info that is completely irrelevant to earning a license. The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. The FAA does have the right and obligation to keep druggies from flying. They are considered character traits and unless the individual can show a long history of change since the abuse (drugs and/or alcohol) they are still considered traits. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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