Reflections on a year of aircraft ownership

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:20:58 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:32:23 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:

"Mark" wrote:

I shoot from the hip
Don¢t ya quibble or quip
Or I¢ll pop that smile
Right off o yo lip
You ain¢t the one
Sayin sink or float
You ain¢t the bitch
That¢s Drivin this boat
Jus keep on whinin
And I¢ll sink this ship
I told you once
I shoot from the hip
I shoot from the hip

(kinda sings like "blue suede shoes"
but rougher)

---
Mark
http://www.nntpnews.net/f4508/re-new...t-hip-5674331/

lol

Hey, Markie, you're soooooooo hip. lol

WTF?

Like "Blue Suede Shoes" only /rougher/?

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:39:54 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:

On Dec 4, 1:03*pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I
sold it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost
twice what I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH
engine, and during the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR
GPS. (No, not any fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going JLA?

---
Markie aka Wonder Woman

JLA? Did youmean the *Justice League of America*, Mark(ie)?

snickers galore

Hey BOZO - you just ****ed yourself. You DO realize that you've just
committed libel by deliberately attributing your own text to someone else?
He now has a bonafide reason to subpoena the records of eternal-
september.org as well as the ISP that owns the IP address the org recorded,
thereby finding out who you are and sue you for said libel?

I know you've been doing that illegal crap with other posts, so just wanted
to make clear to you that thanks to various archives, there is now
permanent evidence of your libel all around the Internet and it is just a
matter of time whether anyone takes action.

My advice to you is before you and your family lose what little finances
they have to legal action that you contact a lawyer and ask them just how
far out you've hung your ass.

On 12/4/2009 10:39 AM, Mark wrote:
On Dec 4, 1:03 pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I sold
it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost twice what
I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH engine, and during
the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR GPS. (No, not any
fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going LSA?

---
Mark


LSA requires that you not have had an FAA medical revoked. One can
still fly Ultralights (as defined in Part 103), but the vehicles are
limited (single-seat, no more than 5 gallons of gas, no more than
254lbs, etc.).

This is specific to the U.S. Other countries have different regulations.

On Dec 5, 8:59*am, Subterranean Cinema wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:57:38 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:39:54 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:

On Dec 4, 1:03*pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I sold
it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost twice what
I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH engine, and during
the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR GPS. (No, not any
fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going JLA?

---
Markie aka Wonder Woman

JLA? Did youmean the *Justice League of America*, Mark(ie)?

snickers galore

http://tinyurl.com/ykd8ofhor

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cacheHzTjEWChHYJ:www.jlaforums.com/vi...

Don't you think that Wonder Woman's red pooseypants clash with Aquaman's
flippers?


*BWahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*

Is this guy 12?


IQ points or age ?

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:09:53 -0800 (PST), george wrote:

On Dec 5, 8:59*am, Subterranean Cinema wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:57:38 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:39:54 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:

On Dec 4, 1:03*pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I sold
it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost twice what
I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH engine, and during
the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR GPS. (No, not any
fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going JLA?

---
Markie aka Wonder Woman

JLA? Did youmean the *Justice League of America*, Mark(ie)?

snickers galore

http://tinyurl.com/ykd8ofhor

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cacheHzTjEWChHYJ:www.jlaforums.com/vi...

Don't you think that Wonder Woman's red pooseypants clash with Aquaman's
flippers?


*BWahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*

Is this guy 12?

IQ points or age ?

Either. Even *I* know the Justice League of America is passe'.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:22 -0500, Subterranean Cinema wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:09:53 -0800 (PST), george wrote:

On Dec 5, 8:59*am, Subterranean Cinema wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:57:38 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:39:54 -0800 (PST), Mark wrote:

On Dec 4, 1:03*pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I sold
it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost twice what
I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH engine, and during
the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR GPS. (No, not any
fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going JLA?

---
Markie aka Wonder Woman

JLA? Did youmean the *Justice League of America*, Mark(ie)?

snickers galore

http://tinyurl.com/ykd8ofhor

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cacheHzTjEWChHYJ:www.jlaforums.com/vi...

Don't you think that Wonder Woman's red pooseypants clash with Aquaman's
flippers?


*BWahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*

Is this guy 12?

IQ points or age ?

Either. Even *I* know the Justice League of America is passe'.

I liked the kid. He turned out to be a turd.

Fact.
--
Live To Spend It

On Dec 4, 3:49*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/4/2009 10:39 AM, Mark wrote:





On Dec 4, 1:03 pm, Ross wrote:

You made a comment about depreciation. Mine did not depreciate. I sold
it this year and even in a down economy I sold it for almost twice what
I bought it for. Not bad. Like I said, it got a OH engine, and during
the time all avionics were OH and I did add a IFR GPS. (No, not any
fancy Garmin item)

I wish I still had it. D*** medical....

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold
KSWI-

What about going LSA?

---
Mark

LSA requires that you not have had an FAA medical revoked. One can
still fly Ultralights (as defined in Part 103), but the vehicles are
limited (single-seat, no more than 5 gallons of gas, no more than
254lbs, etc.).

This is specific to the U.S. Other countries have different regulations.

Thanks, I knew that, but then I wasn't sure if his
had been revoked or he'd just been inactive and knew
he wouldn't pass a new medical. I've run across a few
pilots who had to make a transition to LSA, which is
something I've had on my mind lately, i.e., buying an
Arion Lightning (138mph cruise), and knowing that I
can fly it for the next 25 years if I'm able.

---
Mark

Mike Ash wrote:

So far I do not regret my decision to purchase in the least. /snip/
Money wasn't a worry to me, but it's still something I thought about. So
far, so good. I put 55.4 hours on it over the past year /snip/

All in all, it's been a great year. All of the good things that I
anticipated in owning an aircraft have come true, and none of the bad
things. It was a great choice, and I'm looking forward to another year
with it.


For me it's just been a month or two. A C-150, like I owned 20 years ago
- and had to sell when I was out of work then.
Though this time I paid twice as much as I sold for back then, this
plane is in better shape, though only a year younger than the other one
- in better shape now at least. It had been flown to Dallas from
Wisconsin - which said something for it.

But the trial flight was a trial: water in the pitot, so the ASI was all
over the place - mostly slow - the transponder folded up, the loran (!)
was posted unserviceable, the radio was flakey, the mag compass was out
of fluid, several fixings were missing from the cowl, a floppy external
door handle, a missing ELT antenna.....

All fixed up quite quickly or replaced - at no great expense.
And here I am with ten plus hours of familiarization in it and finding
my comfort level again. Why did I wait so long? I ask myself.

I am full of joy - and though joy may not last for ever, it's enough
to taste it presently... The best moment was turning up unannounced at
the home field, and finding an open front tee hangar to keep it in,at a
price I could afford. The scariest moment to date was looking up the
price of a new door latch from Cessna - $1200 !! (no kidding)
...but there's always another way, even if salvage airframes have largely
gone away as a parts source. The happiest moment is deciding on a sunny
afternoon, to go flying, without much fuss. I am interested to see
what happens at my first annual, in four months: the days of $200
annuals are fading rapidly from memory, I reckon.

Brian W

On Dec 4, 9:03*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
Mike Ash wrote:

So far I do not regret my decision to purchase in the least. */snip/
Money wasn't a worry to me, but it's still something I thought about. So
far, so good. I put 55.4 hours on it over the past year */snip/

All in all, it's been a great year. All of the good things that I
anticipated in owning an aircraft have come true, and none of the bad
things. It was a great choice, and I'm looking forward to another year
with it.

For me it's just been a month or two. A C-150, like I owned 20 years ago
- and had to sell when I was out of work then.
Though *this time I paid twice as much as I sold for back then, this
plane is in better shape, though only a year younger than the other one
* - *in better shape now at least. *It had been flown to Dallas from
Wisconsin - which said something for it.

But the trial flight was a trial: water in the pitot, so the ASI was all
over the place - mostly slow - the transponder folded up, the loran (!)
was posted unserviceable, the radio was flakey, the mag compass was out
of fluid, several fixings were missing from the cowl, a floppy external
door handle, a missing ELT antenna.....

All fixed up quite quickly or replaced - at no great expense.
And here I am with ten plus *hours of familiarization in it and finding
my comfort level again. Why did I wait so long? I ask myself.

I am full of joy - and though joy may not last for ever, it's enough
to taste it presently... The best moment was turning up unannounced at
the home field, and finding an open front tee hangar to keep it in,at a
price I could afford. *The scariest moment to date was looking up the
price of a new door latch from Cessna - $1200 !! (no kidding)
..but there's always another way, even if salvage airframes have largely
gone away as a parts source. The happiest moment is deciding on a sunny
afternoon, to go flying, without much fuss. * * I am interested to see
what happens at my first annual, in four months: the days of $200
annuals are fading rapidly from memory, I reckon.

Brian W

The conventional wisdom, "If you have to ask how much, you can't
afford it" isn't always true! You already have the pleasure of knowing
the airplane's there whenever you want it -- absent it being grounded
of course.

Speaking of conventional wisdom, what did you figure to be the break
even point between renting and owning something like a C150? My
'indifference point" many years ago (my language for the level of
usage where renting v owning were equal pains in the butt) was about
125 hours a year for a complex single.

a wrote:
...what did you figure to be the break
even point between renting and owning something like a C150? My
'indifference point" many years ago (my language for the level of
usage where renting v owning were equal pains in the butt) was about
125 hours a year for a complex single.

The FBO owner mentioned he'd sold his C150 years ago - the customers
were getting too heavy to hold gross with decent fuel, he said.
For my biennial review, it was $150 for a one hour checkout with a
172 and instructor. That was way too much for my taste. But its
strange how $150 seems like nothing when putting another loran in or
whatever, if it's your own plane. There is just no comparison for me. I
expect to do 40 hours a year on up in it....

Brian W