New Currency Rule for Homebuilt?

Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?

http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html

The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to flying
passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and experienced.
Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who take people for rides in
their experimental aircraft and EAA says current pilots have until Aug. 31,
2005, to prove they have the necessary category and class ratings for the
aircraft they fly. Those who always fly solo will not need to fly through
the bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was issued April 21,
affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure their recreational
or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers requires that the pilot
have at least five hours as PIC in the category, class, make and model of
the experimental aircraft in question between Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31,
2005. An authorized flight instructor must make a logbook entry attesting to
the pilot's proficiency with the aircraft and then the pilot must show the
log to a designated pilot examiner or FAA Operations Inspector. A new pilot
certificate will then be issued restricting the pilot to flying that
particular experimental aircraft (or any others for which he or she has done
the paperwork).

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
news:aXRge.4964$Db6.2196@okepread05...

Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?

http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html

The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to
flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and
experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who take people
for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says current pilots have
until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the necessary category and class
ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who always fly solo will not need
to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was
issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure
their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers
requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category,
class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must
make a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the
aircraft and then the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot
examiner or FAA Operations Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be
issued restricting the pilot to flying that particular experimental
aircraft (or any others for which he or she has done the paperwork).


1. Bureaucracy detests what it cannot control
2. They hate you killing yourself, but harming others is really, really
irritating (and lots more career risk).

Seriously, it all sounds reasonable, but I know many instructors refuse to
fly in homebuilts. I suppose EAA will start having to have a contact sheet.

At the sametime, NavCanada will now let you get your experimental
professionally built AND let you get a repair certificate as well. Proof
that ideas should be judged on their own merits, and not that of their
source (seriously, Ottawa went for this!).

PS no disrespect to the Canadians, love those people. Don't like Washington
anymore than Ottawa.

On Fri, 13 May 2005 02:57:53 GMT, "Dude" wrote:


"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
news:aXRge.4964$Db6.2196@okepread05...

Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?

http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html

The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to
flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and
experienced. Currency and proficiency rules apply to those who take people
for rides in their experimental aircraft and EAA says current pilots have
until Aug. 31, 2005, to prove they have the necessary category and class
ratings for the aircraft they fly. Those who always fly solo will not need
to fly through the bureaucratic hoops. Under the new notice, which was
issued April 21, affected pilots will have fill out a form and make sure
their recreational or higher certificate is in order. Flying passengers
requires that the pilot have at least five hours as PIC in the category,
class, make and model of the experimental aircraft in question between
Sept. 1, 2004, and Aug. 31, 2005. An authorized flight instructor must
make a logbook entry attesting to the pilot's proficiency with the
aircraft and then the pilot must show the log to a designated pilot
examiner or FAA Operations Inspector. A new pilot certificate will then be
issued restricting the pilot to flying that particular experimental
aircraft (or any others for which he or she has done the paperwork).


1. Bureaucracy detests what it cannot control
2. They hate you killing yourself, but harming others is really, really
irritating (and lots more career risk).

Seriously, it all sounds reasonable, but I know many instructors refuse to
fly in homebuilts. I suppose EAA will start having to have a contact sheet.

At the sametime, NavCanada will now let you get your experimental
professionally built AND let you get a repair certificate as well. Proof
that ideas should be judged on their own merits, and not that of their
source (seriously, Ottawa went for this!).

PS no disrespect to the Canadians, love those people. Don't like Washington
anymore than Ottawa.



Roger

Seriously, it all sounds reasonable, but I know many instructors refuse to
fly in homebuilts. I suppose EAA will start having to have a contact sheet.



Being an instructor myself I know a lot of instructors and everyone of
them jump at a chance to fly in my RV-6. I also believe that EAA already
has a list of instructor contacts, you just have to submit your name
to them if you want to be on it.

Jerry

"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
...

Seriously, it all sounds reasonable, but I know many instructors refuse
to fly in homebuilts. I suppose EAA will start having to have a contact
sheet.



Being an instructor myself I know a lot of instructors and everyone of
them jump at a chance to fly in my RV-6. I also believe that EAA already
has a list of instructor contacts, you just have to submit your name
to them if you want to be on it.

Jerry


That's good. This shouldn't end up being to big a deal then.

If you head to a big city CPC, you will likely find more of the guys I am
talking about.

"Dude" wrote in message
...

"Jerry Springer" wrote in message
...

Seriously, it all sounds reasonable, but I know many instructors refuse
to fly in homebuilts. I suppose EAA will start having to have a contact
sheet.



Being an instructor myself I know a lot of instructors and everyone of
them jump at a chance to fly in my RV-6. I also believe that EAA already
has a list of instructor contacts, you just have to submit your name
to them if you want to be on it.

Jerry


That's good. This shouldn't end up being to big a deal then.

If you head to a big city CPC, you will likely find more of the guys I am
talking about.


It isn't really a big deal in any case. It doesn't apply to anyone who has
at least a Private Single Engine Land. That means that it doesn't really
apply to very many folks.

The ones they are out to get rated are the homebuilt helicopter guys who
never got a rotorcraft rating and are flying with just a logbook signoff for
solo.

Highflyer

Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?

http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html

The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to
flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and


Does anyone have a link to the notice so we can read the whole thing not
something written by some author for an aviation web news site?

A couple questions I might have.
1. Is this for all classes of license or is this Sport Pilot.
(it sounds like sportpilot since they require check out in individual
planes (unless PPL operating as SP).
2. Is this a proposal or has in been implemented without any public
response?

I have never heard of PPL needing a new license for a particular airplane.
Maybe jets or aircraft over 12500 lbs.

John

On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:23:20 GMT, UltraJohn wrote:

Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?

http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html

The FAA is underscoring regulatory requirements for pilots who fly
passengers in homebuilt aircraft. A new notice would restrict them to
flying passengers only in planes in which they are qualified and


Does anyone have a link to the notice so we can read the whole thing not
something written by some author for an aviation web news site?

Check EAA's web page:

http://www.eaa.org/communications/ea...09_rating.html

They have a link to the actual FAA notice.

Ron Wanttaja

Does anyone have a link to the notice so we can read the whole thing not
something written by some author for an aviation web news site?

A couple questions I might have.
1. Is this for all classes of license or is this Sport Pilot.
(it sounds like sportpilot since they require check out in individual
planes (unless PPL operating as SP).
2. Is this a proposal or has in been implemented without any public
response?

I have never heard of PPL needing a new license for a particular airplane.
Maybe jets or aircraft over 12500 lbs.

John


You've seen the link.. think about it like this.. there are experimental
aircraft out there that are 1) amphibious 2) multiengined or 3)
something OTHER than a "Single Engine Land" type of plane. In the past,
enforcement of pilots who were "SEL" type guys flying multiengine
experimentals or amphibious experimentals was somewhat lax, especially
with passengers.

The rule is not new. The emphasis on enforcing the rule when passenger
carrying is what is new. So, now.. if you wanna take your buddy up for a
joyride in an experimental a/c you have to be just as qualified for it
(category and class) as if it was a standard airworthiness certificated
aircraft.

Dave

"Gig Giacona" wrote:


Read this today on AVWEB. What is the deal?
http://avweb.com/newswire/11_19b/briefs/189753-1.html


Gig and all,

No action is required under this notice for the vast majority of
pilots who fly experimental aircraft. This notice affects only those
pilots who wish to carry passengers in an experimental aircraft for
which they do not hold the appropriate category and class rating. No
action is required under this notice, for example, for pilots who hold
a private pilot SEL airplane category and class rating certificate and
fly a SEL experimental aircraft. On the other hand, pilots who hold a
private pilot SEL airplane category and class rating certificate and
fly a multi-engine experimental aircraft (MEL) will need to comply
with the new requirements if they wish to carry passengers in their
multi-engine experimental aircraft.

Here is a link to the FAA notice (a MS Word document)
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/notices/8700/n8700-42.doc

Here is a link to the EAA's explanation of the notice
http://www.eaa.org/communications/ea...09_rating.html


David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com