"position & hold" going away

I saw an announcement on Aeronews this morning that the FAA is
proposing that the "taxi into position and hold" process used at
virtually all towered airports be discontinued.

This is really gonna work great at places like Newark, LaGuardia, and
OHare.

Yea.. just think of all the near collisions it will avoid!

Dave

Paul kgyy wrote:

I saw an announcement on Aeronews this morning that the FAA is
proposing that the "taxi into position and hold" process used at
virtually all towered airports be discontinued.

This is really gonna work great at places like Newark, LaGuardia, and
OHare.

That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from
the runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.

Matt

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Yea.. just think of all the near collisions it will avoid!


How many?

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from the
runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.


How long do you think it takes a heavy to do the same?

It's not going away for everybody. Selected airports may lose it.
You'll never see the major airports lose it.



Matt Whiting wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.


A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from
the runway, I can typically taxi onto the active and be rolling at full
throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for
takeoff when the airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from
clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.

Matt

Must be nice...my Commander requires bringing power from idle to
takeoff in no less than 30 seconds. Some of the big radials have even
slower time limits.

Craig C.

"Can "is different than "do". Just hang out at your local airport and
watch the average GA drivers. You'd be amazed at the amount of time
people spend sitting on the runway.

-Robert

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ...
Robert M. Gary wrote:
That's hard to believe. P&H really saves a lot of time when the runway
is really busy. The only way I can see this working is if pilot learn
how to do "cleared for immediate takeoff". Most controllers avoid this
because "immediate" for many pilots means sitting on the runway while
they go through their last checklist.

A lot of time? I don't see it. Unless the hold line is way back from the runway, I can typically taxi onto the
active and be rolling at full throttle in 10 seconds or less. All they need to do is clear me for takeoff when the
airplane that just landed is 10 seconds or so from clearing the runway and no time at all will be lost.

Matt

Don't think takeoff clearance can be made when there is still an aircraft on the runway...