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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:20:58 +1000, John Cook wrote:
By Bill Sweetman Up to US$1 billion of the projected cost overrun on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is attributable to the development of 'anti-tamper' (AT) technology to protect stealth features on the JSF, together with a 'sanitized' and probably less stealthy export configuration of the fighter. Does this include the UK version? The clear implication is that the 'international' JSF would have a larger RCS than the US version, would be easier to detect by hostile radars and would consequently be more susceptible to attack. That, in turn, would have consequences for the overall effectiveness of the fighter. Like other LO aircraft, it does not carry active jamming equipment or a towed decoy, and it cannot use high-off-boresight air-to-air missiles when in stealth mode. Do you have anyn information on what the RCS for either version of the F-35 will be, and how it compares with other aircraft? -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:08:07 -0600, Scott Ferrin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:25:11 -0700, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Scott Ferrin" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:11:09 +0200, Nemo l'Ancien wrote: So, the Allies who would have paid to have a fully operational aircraft will just get an under valued one... That's Us conception of Allies... How does better than any alternatives for the price equate to "under valued"? It is a clear selling point for Eurofighters. The Eurofighter costs a LOT more than the F-35 is *suppose* to. If the costs keep rising (and Typhoon's doesn't) and there is a big enough difference between a *real* F-35 and the export version then maybe. Eurofighters cost EUR 62 million each (at least, thatr's what Austria is paying -- the exact price obviously depends on what mix of features a buyer wants). We don't know what the F-35 will cost, nor do we know what the EUR/USD exchange rate will be. However, if an air force wants a new plane to be in service much earlier than 2012, they'd be better off buying Eurofighter than F-35. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:44:59 -0600, Scott Ferrin wrote:
From what I've read they're spending more $$$ trying to make it so it's not reverse engineerable than trying to figure out how to make two different versions. Maybe in the end they'll come down to the export models having older generation RAM (it's already been compromised with that F-117 shoot down) and a maybe not so fancy radome if they can't figure out a safe way. Would hate a repeat of the Iran/Pakistan thing. Which was? -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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John Cook wrote:
From Janes JSF security technology costing up to US$1bn By Bill Sweetman JSF is the first US stealth aircraft to be offered for export. And what of reports that the F-117 was offered to the UK (and declined) years ago? |
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"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message ... John Cook wrote: From Janes JSF security technology costing up to US$1bn By Bill Sweetman JSF is the first US stealth aircraft to be offered for export. And what of reports that the F-117 was offered to the UK (and declined) years ago? Janes hasn't had the credibility they once had ever since Kopp scammed them on e-bombs. |
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Henry J Cobb wrote in message ...
John Cook wrote: Our considerations will cover which weapons should be carried internally and which should be carried externally on JCA. Under current plans, it is not considered cost or operationally effective for JCA to carry ASRAAM and Brimstone externally, but the internal carriage of these weapons remains an option. " What good would it do to carry a short range air to air missile in such a way that it increases your radar return to the extent that the enemy will now be able to engage your fighter beyond the range of that missile? -HJC Thats a very good point and one I hadn't really thought about, now does the US JSF require Aim9X's to be externally carried??, or any air to ground weapons roughly comparable to the Brimstone?, if so why the difference?. cheers |
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John Cook wrote:
Henry J Cobb wrote in message ... What good would it do to carry a short range air to air missile in such a way that it increases your radar return to the extent that the enemy will now be able to engage your fighter beyond the range of that missile? Thats a very good point and one I hadn't really thought about, now does the US JSF require Aim9X's to be externally carried??, or any air to ground weapons roughly comparable to the Brimstone?, if so why the difference?. http://www.aviationweek.com/shownews/03paris/hard01.htm The only way to carry an AAM when the JSF is in stealth mode, with internal weapons, is to carry it on the inner weapons bay door. The missile's seeker has a very restricted field of view in this position, making LOAL almost essential. The UK plans to use the AIM-9X's rival, the MBDA ASRAAM, from the JSF bay door, presumably in a LOAL mode. -HJC |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:55:45 -0700, Henry J Cobb wrote:
John Cook wrote: Henry J Cobb wrote in message ... What good would it do to carry a short range air to air missile in such a way that it increases your radar return to the extent that the enemy will now be able to engage your fighter beyond the range of that missile? Thats a very good point and one I hadn't really thought about, now does the US JSF require Aim9X's to be externally carried??, or any air to ground weapons roughly comparable to the Brimstone?, if so why the difference?. http://www.aviationweek.com/shownews/03paris/hard01.htm The only way to carry an AAM when the JSF is in stealth mode, with internal weapons, is to carry it on the inner weapons bay door. The missile's seeker has a very restricted field of view in this position, making LOAL almost essential. The UK plans to use the AIM-9X's rival, the MBDA ASRAAM, from the JSF bay door, presumably in a LOAL mode. Yup thats what I read, but does the US have any plans to add ASRAAM/HARM/Slamer and Maverick to the external stores, the LOAL mode seems to be quite a challenge if the F-22 Aim9X's intergration is anything to go by. It just interested me that some weapons are not being considered for external carraige as I assume the external carraige would be fairly easy to accomplish. Cheers -HJC John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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Just seen a chart that said the Aim9x is going to be intergrated on the F-35 externally. Seems the US isn't worried to much by external SRAAM's Cheers John Cook Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them. Email Address :- Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk |
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