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"WalterM140" wrote in message ... What difference would it have made if 300,000 troops had been sent in, instead of 180,000? "I think it's critical in the aftermath, if you're gonna go to resolve a conflict through the use of force, and then to rebuild the country," says Zinni. Judging from Bush's recent approval ratings, it is finally beginning to sink in to the general public that we have somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. That we never should have gone there is the first place is now quite academic. Vaughn |
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Judging from Bush's recent approval ratings, it is finally beginning to
sink in to the general public that we have somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. That we never should have gone there is the first place is now quite academic. Not until those sorry *******s are out of office. I do take your point though. Walt |
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: (WalterM140) Date: 5/24/04 3:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Judging from Bush's recent approval ratings, it is finally beginning to sink in to the general public that we have somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. That we never should have gone there is the first place is now quite academic. Not until those sorry *******s are out of office. I do take your point though. Walt The day these guys are out of office will be a great day in American history. It will mark the end of the worst government America has ever had. They can't fool all of the people all of the time. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes From: (WalterM140) Date: 5/24/04 3:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Judging from Bush's recent approval ratings, it is finally beginning to sink in to the general public that we have somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. That we never should have gone there is the first place is now quite academic. Not until those sorry *******s are out of office. I do take your point though. Walt The day these guys are out of office will be a great day in American history. It will mark the end of the worst government America has ever had. They can't fool all of the people all of the time. So far, your predictions vis a vis Iraq have been none too accurate: "It will immediately take over all Iraqui property including the oil fields and refineries. These will be put under the control of companies like Exxon who will run the entire Iraqui oil operation under the Alien Property Custodian." (13 JAN 03) "We've got their country and we have their oil. The rest doesn't matter." (25 APR 03) Funny, but it appears you were one of the bigger "go into Iraq" folks not that long ago (and for widely differing reasons, according to your various posts on the subject, everything from assuring the US a springboard in the region to WMD's and "the oil"). The single constant thread was you animosity towards the French regarding their behavior during the period leading up to the war... "The French will pay a price for their betrayal. And it won't be a pretty sight." (28 MAR 03) "At this moment the French veto makes them an ally of Iraq." (7 FEB 03) "...they [the French] questioned the motives of the Bush administration. Why should the French fight? They know the Americans and the Brits will fight for them. As always. They are pobably drawing up surrender documents just in case even as we speak.." (6 FEB 03) And, to provide another Artian view of the war that seems to be a bit (guffaw!) at odds with this latest blathering: [when told 21 JAN 03 that OBL was not in Iraq] "Can't hurt to look." And..."GO FORTH AND CONQUER !!!!!!" (11 FEB 03) Either you are seriously delusional, to the point of exhibiting multiple-personality disorder "Its the WMD's! No, it's not, it's the oil! Trounce those danged Iraqis! Go! Go! Go! I mean, STOP! What the hell are you doing, why are you GOING (into Iraq...)?" etc. etc., ad nauseum... But now you are intent upon hanging Bush for Iraq, having been one of the bigger cheerleaders behind our going in there in the first place? Must be nice to have such a fluid sense of values which allows you to be "right" no matter how things develop.... Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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Brooks sticks his toe in the water:
Funny, but it appears you were one of the bigger "go into Iraq" folks not that long ago (and for widely differing reasons So was I. But the Bush administration lied about the basis for the war and then screwed it up, as General Zinni said. Walt |
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message ... In article , (WalterM140) wrote: Brooks sticks his toe in the water: Funny, but it appears you were one of the bigger "go into Iraq" folks not that long ago (and for widely differing reasons So was I. Were you? I can't seem to find any comments from you on the subject more than about a month old, and those from the last month are all anti-invasion. It seems that if you were "one of the bigger" folks, you would have said something. He's another kook (witness his continual tapdancing attempts during his engagement by BUFDRVR). He fits nicely into my killfile, too, along with the Tarvernaut... Brooks -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Funny, but it appears you were one of the bigger "go into Iraq"
folks not that long ago (and for widely differing reasons So was I. Were you? I can't seem to find any comments from you on the subject more than about a month old, and those from the last month are all anti-invasion. It seems that if you were "one of the bigger" folks, you would have said something. I wasn't posting on this NG in that time frame. I don't think you'll find any posts from me at all on this NG from back then. Yes, I was for the war, because I thought Powell and Cheney would be running it, not the incompetents who are in fact running it. Walt |
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
confessed the following: Did we notice that the Berg beheading in Iraq was conducted by Al-Zawhari, an Al-Qeada leader? No link to AQ and Iraq??? Uhhh, Ed there are reports that the presence of AQ is post-invasion/occupation. That's if you believe folks like Karen Kwiatkowski LtCol USAF (Ret). Nobody disputes AQ is now in Iraq, but there is a wide credibility gap connecting AQ and Iraq pre-invasion. Start here http://www.militaryweek.com/kk120103.shtml note that this is reprinted from The American Conservative (not some Lefty Liberal Everything America Does is Wrong periodical). Or, the discovery last week of a 155mm shell with 3 LITERS of Sarin? How much WMD does it take to make WMD? Got any estimate of what 3 liters of Sarin would do in downtown Manhattan? Or, how big that is? How many needles can you hide in a haystack the size of California. We found one so far. Fair enough, do we invade Iran and Syria next, then North Korea? I ask that partially as a rhetorical question because I have cohorts that honestly think Iran and Syria ARE next on the list...and these guys believe everything GWB (Rove)/Cheney/Rumsfeld say, and yet they think Colin Powell is something of a pussy. WTFO? Blind obedience is scary. Neocon arrogance is dangerous. One sarin round after 12 months, that's hardly impressive Ed. I don't dispute that SH used WMD against Iranians and Kurds over a decade ago. I am curious why he didn't use them last year when we invaded, that seems illogical NOT to use them in your last stand to keep control of your country. Again you'll be hard pressed to present evidence that SH was about to turn his WMD vast stockpiles (that even Clinton's folks thought he had) or those remnants over to AQ. I don't dispute that SH was a ruthless MF; I don't dispute Iraq will eventually be better off with SH gone. I simply dispute the arguments GWB chose to rationalize our invasion...I'm not alone. Are we going to occupy all nations that are potential threats? And just for the record, I voted against GWB in 2000 because he lacks the gravitas IMO and the guy I wanted in the Oval Office, John McCain wasn't in the running (Rove can take credit for the SC "push polling.")...but I digress. Juvat |
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