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Old November 8th 03, 01:35 AM
Jake Donovan
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Mary,

I am about to triple dose myself with "C" and hit the rack.

Yes, I know fast Eddie and I was in on the 31

It was my distinct pleasure to chat with you on the phone today. I hope to
catch up with you in Lancaster.

Jake


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:11:27 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

I do have time in the 29, my reference to one hanging in the Air and

Space
Museum was just that - looking up at it brought back memories. (Poorly
worded)


Not knowing that the model even existed, I was astounded to walk into
that gallery and see the model when I was at NASM back when I knew,
without a doubt, that both aircraft were at Dryden. Realistic, isn't
it? I think it was an antenna model, but that doesn't seem likely.
That's more something you do for production aircraft than for research
aircraft. But if not, what was it for?

For some authentic nostalgia, you should come to Dryden. We've got
one of the X-29s on a pad out in front of Dryden now; we've stopped
giving every plane we ever flew to someone else's museum. Of course,
it's kind of a motley collection, comprising two lifting bodies, one
LLRV, an X-29, an F-104G, an SR-71A, the X-1E, and two F-8s (one the
Digital Fly-By-Wire and the other the SuperCritical Wing). We've also
got the X-15 mock-up, which looks pretty good for being a complete
fake.

As for the HARV, DARPA most definitely had input. I had quite a bit of
flight data from the HARV come across my desk. No where did I say I

flew
the test program.


You're right--DARPA was definitely in the loop on HARV and I misread
what you wrote. Sorry. I knew we'd had a bunch of guest pilots at one
time and assumed you were one of them. It's too bad you didn't get to
fly it, as it was, I'm told, a lot of fun to fly. We sure did get a
lot out of that program, too, as you know from the masses of data you
saw. Ken did the S&C estimates on it, now that I think about it. I
spent some time advocating an HMD (not an HMS, because we weren't
supposed to do weapons system stuff, of course) but never got
anywhere. The airframe went back to the Navy about a year ago and I
don't know what they've done with it.

Weren't you involved with X-31? Fast Eddie thought you were, but
we're not sure.

Mary

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Old November 8th 03, 01:41 AM
Jake Donovan
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Harry,

Went through Empire in the early eighties but came back to PAX for a couple
of programs. I still call PAX my home away from home as Andrews is a pain
(Navy guys know what I am talking about) and PAX is all of 30 minutes from
DC Greenline. (Yea, I drive fast)

We usually "borrow" aircraft there or over at Strike.

Jake

"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
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In article [email protected], "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Harry,

Not a problem. I post here from time to time but my jobs kind of keep

me
from posting too much. Active frowns on speaking too much unless it is
generic. There are a lot who post here know me professionally.


I hear that. So many conversations here that I can't contribute to because
of security. Newsgroups are world-wide.
As you say, generic.

Pleasure to meet you too.

BTW, I was in Pax off and on in the late 70's early 80's supporting the
F/A-18 flight test program. Were you there then?

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Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur



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Old November 13th 03, 06:07 AM
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Fast Eddie might be reading his quarterly SSO brief??? I don't
know,,,have you read it? Not to be a smart ass, but theres some really
good stuff in there about posting to newsgroups and making yourself a
target with presumed knowledge of current and developing programs and
technology, just might wanta check it out, specially if you hold any
kind of clearance? hope no offence taken.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:14:13 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

On 11/7/03 6:19 PM, in article ,
"Mary Shafer" wrote:

SNIP

Weren't you involved with X-31? Fast Eddie thought you were, but
we're not sure.

Mary


Mary (or anyone else [Nauga?] that can provide a credible answer),

Question 1:
Do you know whether the 10.7 PROM that's becoming the standard on the
F/A-18A+/C/D and was introduced on E/F an ancestor or cousin of any of the
technology on the HARV?

Flew it for the first time yesterday. It sure makes some unnatural things
possible in the Hornet.

Question 2:
What's Fast Eddie doing these days?

--Woody


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Old November 14th 03, 10:40 PM
Mary Shafer
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:14:13 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

Question 1:
Do you know whether the 10.7 PROM that's becoming the standard on the
F/A-18A+/C/D and was introduced on E/F an ancestor or cousin of any of the
technology on the HARV?

Flew it for the first time yesterday. It sure makes some unnatural things
possible in the Hornet.


I don't think they're direct descendants, because the HARV was mostly
about thrust vectoring and aerodynamics, but I'm pretty sure they're
at least kissing cousins. What they learned flying at higher alpha,
with HARV and ACTIVE (aka SMTP) and X-31 and MATV, has, I believe,
been translated into new ideas on how to fly airplanes. A lot of the
deal with HARV was the idea of carefree maneuvering throughout the
envelope, without having to worry about flight limits. I don't want
to get into the F-16 vs F-18 approaches discussion again, but I think
the new F-18 FCS has addressed that issue.

Question 2:
What's Fast Eddie doing these days?


Fast Eddie is in Texas, at JSC, where he's flying T-38s. He turns 55
this month and will retire on 3 Jan 04. They've bought a
fifth-wheeler and are going to return to SoCal via Florida and
Kentucky in January and February. They might stop by and see us in
Palm Desert on their way to San Diego. If so, I'll make Ed say a few
words in person.

Mary

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Old November 16th 03, 11:38 PM
Mary Shafer
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:44:30 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

On 11/14/03 4:40 PM, in article ,
"Mary Shafer" wrote:

Fast Eddie is in Texas, at JSC, where he's flying T-38s. He turns 55
this month and will retire on 3 Jan 04. They've bought a
fifth-wheeler and are going to return to SoCal via Florida and
Kentucky in January and February. They might stop by and see us in
Palm Desert on their way to San Diego. If so, I'll make Ed say a few
words in person.


Thanks for the update, Mary. Only knew him by phonecon and watching him (in
my rear-view mirror) trying to put the HARV's probe in my KA-6E's basket.
Quite comical, but understandably difficult--especially when I watched him
fly form too. That airplane was a handful--at least through the iteration
that I saw.


The deal with HARV was that it had all the thrust vane hardware
hanging off the tail and a big weight in the nose to keep it
statically stable and a flexible airplane in between. The mass model
could, without much of a stretch, be characterized as resembling a
dumbbell. Needless to say, the mass effects produced some very
peculiar flight dynamics, including during refueling.

Fast Eddie refueled the HARV first and it took him something like 31
minutes to get a good plug and actually transfer fuel. Then it was
Smoke's turn and about twenty minutes into his attempt, Eddie told him
that if he didn't hurry up and plug in, Mary (me) was going to make
this an HQ task and put it on all the flight cards. Uncontained mirth
all around, naturally. However, the threat worked, because Jim got
plugged in two minutes quicker than Eddie had.

Mary

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Old January 2nd 17, 10:04 AM
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Wow! I guess everything DOES stay on the internet!

Any chance any of you are on this site? Pechs? Mary? Woody??

I love to hear from any of you! My last trip (work) into PAX was in 2008. I still get to fly fast every now and then!

Fly Navy!
Jake

PS Hey Pechs... I lost your Texas F4 landing newspaper clipping... got a copy?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Shafer View Post
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:44:30 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

On 11/14/03 4:40 PM, in article
,
"Mary Shafer"
wrote:

Fast Eddie is in Texas, at JSC, where he's flying T-38s. He turns 55
this month and will retire on 3 Jan 04. They've bought a
fifth-wheeler and are going to return to SoCal via Florida and
Kentucky in January and February. They might stop by and see us in
Palm Desert on their way to San Diego. If so, I'll make Ed say a few
words in person.


Thanks for the update, Mary. Only knew him by phonecon and watching him (in
my rear-view mirror) trying to put the HARV's probe in my KA-6E's basket.
Quite comical, but understandably difficult--especially when I watched him
fly form too. That airplane was a handful--at least through the iteration
that I saw.


The deal with HARV was that it had all the thrust vane hardware
hanging off the tail and a big weight in the nose to keep it
statically stable and a flexible airplane in between. The mass model
could, without much of a stretch, be characterized as resembling a
dumbbell. Needless to say, the mass effects produced some very
peculiar flight dynamics, including during refueling.

Fast Eddie refueled the HARV first and it took him something like 31
minutes to get a good plug and actually transfer fuel. Then it was
Smoke's turn and about twenty minutes into his attempt, Eddie told him
that if he didn't hurry up and plug in, Mary (me) was going to make
this an HQ task and put it on all the flight cards. Uncontained mirth
all around, naturally. However, the threat worked, because Jim got
plugged in two minutes quicker than Eddie had.

Mary

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