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Given the excitement, I posted the update yesterday, along with pages about the F-102A and National Guard training. There's a page on this subject at www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm I'll be updating it on March 1 to incorporate the pay records recently published by the White House. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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On 12 Feb 2004 00:25:05 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote:
then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question Lt Bush's four years of "weekend warrior" service (the first two years were all much better than that, though the average was certainly under the 38 or 39 days you might expect at the rate of one weekend a month plus two weeks "summer camp". See www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for the breakdown. This assumes that one point = one day, which of course is not certain. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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He was discharged form the guard a few months early so he could attend school that Fall. In fact, he transferred to an inactive reserve unit, and he served six months *longer* than his six-year obligation. One assumes this was a quid pro quo for leaving the Texas ANG early. That is: one year of inactive reserve to compensate for six months of ANG. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Cub Driver wrote: On 12 Feb 2004 00:25:05 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote: then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question Lt Bush's four years of "weekend warrior" service (the first two years were all much better than that, though the average was certainly under the 38 or 39 days you might expect at the rate of one weekend a month plus two weeks "summer camp". See www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for the breakdown. This assumes that one point = one day, which of course is not certain. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com When I was a Naval reservist at the same time, a day of active duty ( "summer camp", and I did live in a tent on one!) was one point, but a 4 hour inactive duty drill was one point. This gave you 4 points per full weekend. A "normal" year would be 48 points inactive ( 12 weekends x 4 points each ) + 12 for the active duty ( 12, not 14 - we didn't get credit for a full two weeks.) Some folks, particularly aviators, could get a lot more points if the worked at it. You could also get points for other things, like taking correspondence courses. I did that a lot when the Navy couldn't find anything useful for me to do. Bob McKellar |
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Bob wrote:
Some folks, particularly aviators, could get a lot more points if the worked at it. At the time, most ANG flying personnel could get 36 Additional Flying Traning Periods of 4 hours each. (one point each) You had to fly to get the credit, if the a/c didn't go, no credit. You had to average a minimum amount of time per AFTP. IIRC it was 2 hours for prop /c and about .75 to 1 hour for jet a/c. The AFTP could be used for cross country RON flights, one period out, one period back the next day or go for a weekend fly Friday night, Saturday, back on Sunday. A lot of ANG units worked a Tuesday thru Saturday workweek with scheduled Friday night flying to work on night hours or in the case of PR units night photo. In TAC Recce units the quarterly training requirements were about the same for ANG vs Active Duty, IIRC. Oxmoron MFE CRS/CSS |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... On 12 Feb 2004 00:25:05 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote: then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question Lt Bush's four years of "weekend warrior" service (the first two years were all much better than that, though the average was certainly under the 38 or 39 days you might expect at the rate of one weekend a month plus two weeks "summer camp". See www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for the breakdown. This assumes that one point = one day, which of course is not certain. No, one point can be different periods of time. For inactive duty training (i.e., weekend drills), one point means a minimum of four hours duty. The usual breakdown is two points per day, but sometimes you get snookered by the system and work a full day for one IDT point. Active duty days accrue at one point per day. You'd have to break out the IDT and ADT points to determine the likely "number of days". FYI, IDT points are also "capped"--an individual can only earn X amount of points per year from IDT. Brooks all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"Bob McKellar" wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: On 12 Feb 2004 00:25:05 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote: then he said something about 'nine days' for the year in question Lt Bush's four years of "weekend warrior" service (the first two years were all much better than that, though the average was certainly under the 38 or 39 days you might expect at the rate of one weekend a month plus two weeks "summer camp". See www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for the breakdown. This assumes that one point = one day, which of course is not certain. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com When I was a Naval reservist at the same time, a day of active duty ( "summer camp", and I did live in a tent on one!) was one point, but a 4 hour inactive duty drill was one point. This gave you 4 points per full weekend. Normally, yes. But the wording reads (at least on the Army side), a *minimum* of four hours, and i have seen a single UTA last an entire day. Sometimes it was necessary, but we generally avoided that to keep the troopies happy. A "normal" year would be 48 points inactive ( 12 weekends x 4 points each ) + 12 for the active duty ( 12, not 14 - we didn't get credit for a full two weeks.) Varies by service. The USAR gets (or was getting--they were looking at changing this last I heard) 14 days for AT, while the ARNG gets 15. Some folks, particularly aviators, could get a lot more points if the worked at it. On the Army and Air Force side, they have specially funded additional IDT periods for flight proficiency requirements. You could also get points for other things, like taking correspondence courses. I did that a lot when the Navy couldn't find anything useful for me to do. Unfortunately, those fall under the annual IDT point cap (50 rings a bell), so at some point they stop paying off in terms of credited retirement points. Brooks Bob McKellar |
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message om... nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ... I thought the main issue wasn't that he served, but that he didn't complete his obligation of service? There were three points of contention that weren't on their face absurd. 1) He took a position in AL working on the Senatorial Campaign staff for a family frend. (Some sources say he was in charge which seems unlikely given his age). So he applied for a tranfer from the TX NG to the AL NG. That transfer was denied, ... THere is no evidence that Bush was ordered to return to duty in TX befor he actually did. Now, if he was paid for serving in the AL guard then I guess that at some point his tranfser was approved even if documents directly confirming that have not surfaced. You have discounted another very real probability; he could indeed have subsequently been allowed by his commander to conduct training with that Alabama unit while still assigned to his TXANG unit--known nowadays as "equivalent training", at least on the ARMG side of the NG house. Happens quite frequently. Evidently it was known as "equivalent training" back then too: http://www.talion.com/miss.gif -- FF |
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