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Not sure how universaly accepted that is. I thought there was a lot of
hoopla a couple of years back about the JAS-39 being (at least claimed to be) the "first" fourth generation fighter to enter service, with the F/A-22, F-35, Rafael, and Eurofighter being lumped into that category as well? Well, everytime someone argues in favor of more FA-22s, they argue about the proliferation of Russian *5th Generation* fighters such as the Su-30 family.....or am I (a "second generation" bomber guy) not hearing too well? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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1st Generation (early jet fighter) - MiG-15,17,19 or F-84, F-86
(snip) Surely the first generation of jet fighters would have been the Lockheed P-80, Gloster Meteor, Me. 263 and others of the same vintage. I'm sure you could lump those in there as well. There has to be some *formal* convention where this is spelled out no? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"BUFDRVR" wrote in message ... Not sure how universaly accepted that is. I thought there was a lot of hoopla a couple of years back about the JAS-39 being (at least claimed to be) the "first" fourth generation fighter to enter service, with the F/A-22, F-35, Rafael, and Eurofighter being lumped into that category as well? Well, everytime someone argues in favor of more FA-22s, they argue about the proliferation of Russian *5th Generation* fighters such as the Su-30 family.....or am I (a "second generation" bomber guy) not hearing too well? I fear the F/A-22 and Su-30 ram fanatics' spew bears little resemblence to anything real. The Su-30 is a wet dream and the F/A-22 doesn't look like a good bet either. As a marketing ploy, I can see how calling the airplanes a new generation would have value. |
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In message , BUFDRVR
writes Surely the first generation of jet fighters would have been the Lockheed P-80, Gloster Meteor, Me. 263 and others of the same vintage. I'm sure you could lump those in there as well. There has to be some *formal* convention where this is spelled out no? Isn't *he* the optimist! -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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On 14 Dec 2003 22:18:58 GMT, BUFDRVR wrote:
I'm sure you could lump those in there as well. There has to be some *formal* convention where this is spelled out no? I list them like this: 1st - canvas airframes 2nd - metal airframes 3rd - jet engines 4th - look-down/shoot-down radar 5th - low observables My way gets you from the Sopwith Camel all the way to the Raptor. -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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Hmmm, okay Mary what would a 5th Generation fighter be? They are using that
term fairly regularly when discussing the Su-30 family. I've heard 4th+ for them for the most part but haven't seen any Flanker called a 5th generation. Hmm, I haven't heard the term; "4th+". I haven't had the time to do a Google search, but there must be some kind of standard on what equates to a 3rd generation fighter, 4th generation etc, etc. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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I'm sure you could lump those in there as well. There has to be some
*formal* convention where this is spelled out no? Isn't *he* the optimist! Wll, common sense would dictate, the way people (important people) throw these terms around, that you would be able to open a book and read what attributes make up a 3rd generation fighter. For example, I thought Look-Down/Shoot-Down radar technology was an attribute of a 4th generation fighter? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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I list them like this:
1st - canvas airframes 2nd - metal airframes 3rd - jet engines 4th - look-down/shoot-down radar 5th - low observables The problem with this list is a MiG-15 has jet engines, but its catagorized as a first generation fighter. I think the naming convention *begins* with jet engines. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"BUFDRVR" wrote in message ... Good reply, but I don't think I'd classify Mig-25 as 4th generation. I may have catagorized that one incorrectly, but I though it was considered the same generation as the F-15? An earlier design. Much cruder in many respects (vacuum tube pulse radar). Kind of the ultimate go-fast jet, when we thought go-fast was critical. Designed as a B-70 killer and a design dead-end (no question the Eagle was no dead-end). The US jet I think of that most closely approximates it is the F-8U3 (lets discount the F-103, F-108, and YF-12 .... stillborn concepts and all much more sophisticated in aerodynamic concept). Very fast (mach 2.8 if they solved canopy heating), relatively unsophisticated ... albeit large ... radar. Of course, its maneuverability was quite good compared to its peers. Good fuel fraction (range and endurance). Limited multi-role capability (probably would have been great at recce), limited growth potential. We bought the Phantom. Less performance in almost every key parameter, but a far more capable multirole airplane that served in multiple capacities for two decades (more?). The F-8 was a Corvette compared to the F-4 F-150 ... but the old F-150 was, ultimately, a better all-around airplane. R / John |
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