Why did Bush join the national guard?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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He pulled strings to avoid combat.


What hard wvidence do you have of that?



He is not much of a man.


In your uninformed opinion.

"George Z. Bush" wrote

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more casualties over
Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did world-wide throughout the entire
war.

Dying doesn't make you tough.

"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:rQJ_c.36777$3l3.28824@attbi_s03...

At that time, TANG was a safe place to baby sit the children of privilege
who were burdened by poor scores on military aptitude tests. I don't fault
Bush's parents for buying their kid's way into the champaign squadron.
It's important that the best and the brightest conserve their genes for
future generations.


Champaign is in Illinois, not Texas.

"ArtKramr" wrote

To give the illusion of heroism where none exists.

Sort of like your unbelievable war stories.

"ArtKramr" wrote

That answers my question.

A fart would answer your question.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 10:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?


Why do you believe that everyone who served in the National Guard during
Vietnam is some kind of traitor?

Bush was a fighter pilot for 3 years, carrying out a vital national
interest
during the cold war. And we all know that the F102 was not a particularly
safe, nor easy to fly aircraft. This is not the profile of someone who
shuns
either danger or responsibility, nor of one who lacks intelligence.

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided
not
to use the plane.

Bush refused to vounteer. And he did it in writing.

You have just lied again, and you did it in writing. Bush did volunteer;
first for the Guard, then for flight duty, and finally, he tried to do so
for Palace Alert.

Brooks


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Arthur Kramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'

'Nothing' is what you seem to do lately.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to
Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided
not
to use the plane.

For the same record, when he first applied for flying training, he
indicated on
his application that he did NOT desire an overseas assignment.

Duh. He was in a National Guard unit. He could have put a big smiley face in
the other block and it would have made no difference. His duty assignment
was already set in concrete--he was going to return to his unit, the same
one that sent him to flight school in the first place. You are incapable of
understanding the differences between ANG and active component operations,
aren't you?


And he had only
300 flying hours in the F-102 when he volunteered for overseas duty after
he had
been told that they wouldn't consider anybody with less than 500 hours.

Nope, he first asked about Palace Alert, and was *then* told they were then
using the 500 hour limit; you have it all basackwards, as usual.

It was
a pretty safe thing to do.....asking for something you knew in advance
they
weren't going to give you.

Wrong again. You have been told this before, so I guess your continued use
of this tack is just your usual dishonest nature coming through
again...Palace Alert did not maintain a set-in-concrete 500 hour experience
requirement. The required experience level fluctuated based upon the pool of
volunteers they then had--which is why later, as the program wound down, a
mere junior LT found himself flying Palace Alert duty out of Iceland and
participating in one of the USAF's last F-102 intercepts of a Soviet
aircraft.


That's just for the record, of course.

Then your records are all screwed up.

Brooks


George Z.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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I think about Bush and am glad he was never around to fight with the 344th
although he would have gotten out of combat missions by hook or by crook.
especially crook. The resrves was the standard hiding place for the neocon
rich, and poweful.

There you go again--are you again saying that the reserves were a refuge
when your beloved 344th was flying in combat? When are you going to learn
that the entire reserve structure had been mobilized for active duty while
you were still trying to figure out whether you wanted a chocolate malted or
a cherry spritzer at the local soda fountain?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer