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A nonsensical pranked email address said:
All true, but how do you explain skinny people that are sedentary and don't diet? Fidgeting. http://pwp.value.net/~fitness/wghtnews.htm#10 |
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Ernest Christley wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote: Rich S. wrote: I scrounged through the recycle bin until I found last month's Reader's Digest (July) and re-read the article on "Beating the Urge to Eat" by Peter Jaret. Several interesting items caught my attention. 1. A hormone called leptin signals the brain to supress appetite - "Hey, Dude, quit eating. You're full!". 2. 85 to 90 percent of obese people DO NOT have a deficiency of leptin. Their bodies have become resistant to its effects. This is much like Type II diabetes where the body has plenty of insulin but is insulin resistant. 3. An excess of triglycerides may contribute to leptin resistance. 4. An enzyme called SCD-1 - controlled by leptin - is used by the body to create fat cells. Delete the gene that makes SCD-1 (in mice) and they can pig out on Twinkies and beer without gaining weight. 5. Another culprit that may make you chubby is a virus, AD-36. 6. Base level activity can vary up to 500 calories/day. Notice how some people constantly twitch? Low or high metabolism is hereditary, but they're working on metabolism boosting substances. The article closes with, "Patients used to blame being overweight on glands and hormones, and we doctors would say, 'It's not hormones, it's calories,' " says Banks. "Now we know hormones *are* involved." . . ."People can diet and lose 10 or 15 pounds. But real obesity isn't a willpower problem,. It's a medical problem." I still don't buy it. If it is a medical problem, why did it just occur in the last 20-30 years and not 500 or 1000 years ago? I believe it is our sedentary lifestyle combined with simply eating for recreation rather than sustenance. Matt It's a medical problem that has always existed, but we have become much more affluent in the past 20 or 30 years. We've gone from an average of one car per family to three. We go to restaurants where we're served huge, fatty portions, 'cause nobody would spend $50 for a plate of boring vegetables and a slice of baloney (what you'd eat if you stayed at home and fixed it yourself). Millenia of evolution taught us that we better eat when food is available or you'll starve to death tomorrow. You've gotta get fat in the summer to survive the winter. The instinct is still there, but the winter isn't, and neither is the need to chase the food down. Baloney. We also have a brain that we can use to know that we don't need to eat like pigs when our waist measurement exceeds our chest measurement. I really feel sorry for all you folk that are just victims of the world and circumstances. Matt |
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Matt Whiting wrote in
: Ernest Christley wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: It's a medical problem that has always existed, ... Baloney.... Matt From: http://pwp.value.net/~fitness/wghtnews.htm#10 "In a study of 11 individuals who were highly resistant to weight loss while dieting, researchers measured all of these individuals' activity and food calories for 14 days. The individuals also kept a log of their food and exercise activities. At the end of the experiment, the research showed that these individuals under reported their food calories by 47% and over reported their exercise calories by 51%. Prior to testing, these individuals believed their inability to lose weight was due to a low resting metabolic rate and other metabolic factors. They were distressed to learn tests showed their metabolisms to be normal. These results are in agreement with many other studies showing individuals oftentimes mis-report and consequently mis-perceive their actual food intake and exercise activities." Rob |
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Rob, Matt, Metabolism is one fator, there are many more. Genetics could also play a role in other things such as behavior or the person's ability to taste or smell the food and the effect eating certain food has on them. I obviously feel that genetics plays a much more significant role than you do. I can't deny that stomach stapling of fat people results in much lower caloric intake and significant weight loss. At the same time, I can't deny that doubling or tripling the caloric intake while simultaneously reducing carbs to near zero will also result in rapid weight loss in many people. The effectivness of a low carb / high calorie diet is well known. My nonscientific opinion about the low carb mechanism is that I believe that carbs are a catalyst needed for digesting fat. In my own experiments, a carb binge while on a low carb diet usually has disasterous results. In my case, I can eat huge bowls of zero carb ice cream covered in zero carb chocolate syrup and show a weight loss. But if I throw a cracker in the works, all bets are off. With that said, it is also possible that for genetic reasons, some fat people may simply have more efficient digestive systems. Maybe their livers secrete some enzyme that mine doesn't - I don't know. But even if the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is obvious. Dennis. Rob McDonald wrote: "In a study of 11 individuals who were highly resistant to weight loss Prior to testing, these individuals believed their inability to lose weight was due to a low resting metabolic rate and other metabolic factors. They were distressed to learn tests showed their metabolisms to be normal. Dennis Hawkins n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do) "A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work. A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work. A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work." To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using them to put Americans out of work, visit the following web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm |
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Matthew P. Cummings wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:51:04 +0000, n4mwd.dont.spam.me wrote: f the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is obvious. What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as well. I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in Law's he's always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of the normal amount you should consume. Of course he eats a lot of food and considers it normal and anybody who doesn't eat as much as him needs more. That's how it works. Those who cry GENETICS are those who do not have the will power to do a proper diet. I admit there are those who truly do have medical problems, but not all that cry it. Lets use you for an example because I already posted my info, how many calories do you consume in a day before and during your diet now? Like I have always said: Obesity IS Genetic! You LEARN your eating habits from your parents! John (Eating Every Thing On My Plate!) P. |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:51:04 +0000, n4mwd.dont.spam.me wrote:
f the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is obvious. What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as well. I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in Law's he's always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of the normal amount you should consume. Of course he eats a lot of food and considers it normal and anybody who doesn't eat as much as him needs more. That's how it works. Those who cry GENETICS are those who do not have the will power to do a proper diet. I admit there are those who truly do have medical problems, but not all that cry it. Lets use you for an example because I already posted my info, how many calories do you consume in a day before and during your diet now? |
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In John wrote:
Matthew P. Cummings wrote: What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as well. I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in Law's he's always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of Like I have always said: Obesity IS Genetic! You LEARN your eating habits from your parents! John (Eating Every Thing On My Plate!) P. If obesity is all learned behavior, I want to know why my brother and I can eat pretty much whatever we want without gaining weight? Our dad was the same way until he got into his 50s, and even then didn't have to cut back much on food. My eating habits are atrocious and may eventually kill me but it probably won't be because I am overweight. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:06:07 +0000, Del Rawlins wrote:
If obesity is all learned behavior, I want to know why my brother and I can eat pretty much whatever we want without gaining weight? Our dad I don't know how old you are, I'm pretty young at 38. While in my younger days I could also eat as much of any type of food out there without so much as a single pound added. That's also what caused me to gain weight in my early 30's. You see, I stopped playing Basketball, volleyball, Baseball, and hiking due to knee troubles. Once I reduced those activities I gained weight rather quickly. It all depends on what you do during the day. I bet if you did what I do now you would also gain weight. I also don't fidget or anything when I'm idle, I'm steady as a rock and so I have no extra calorie burn either. |
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