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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Nov 10, 12:49*pm, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:40:06 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote in : What's concerning me is ... how someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need to find out how this person is accomplishing this. They just have to lie about who the post is "from." The software protocol that runs Usenet (NNTP) does not check the authenticity of the "from" field. *Nor does Google cross-check the authenticity of a post that says it was "from" . ... can someone explain exactly how a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as though the post came from me? Once the post with the lying "from" field is injected into any old server, Google archives it, finds your e-mail in the from field, and sets it up so that the post is associated with your profile. I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines, but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access through links to my profile? Google doesn't check authenticity. *It merely reports correlations. It can't tell the difference between the real you and the counterfeit you. Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google Groups? You may ask Google to remove the counterfeit posts from their archives. *They say there is a removal tool available to you if you are logged in to Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/group/google-groups-guide/web/google-groups-faq Is this even a Google Groups problem? Not really. *It is a huge loophole in NNTP and not one that is liable to be closed any time soon (that I know of--I am not involved in that part of the system). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk..* Seehttp://www.big-8.orgfor info on how to add or remove newsgroups. Thanks Martin. Appreciate the feedback. DH |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Nov 10, 1:30*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines, but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access through links to my profile. Here's what I believe is happening: Google Groups uses only the content of the "From:" header to automatically associate posts to user profiles. So when someone places your name and e- mail address in the header of their posts, then no matter what Usenet service provider they posted from (and irrespective of all the other post's headers) the Google Groups software will associate that post with your Google Groups account. So the Google Groups web site software displays your user profile when someone (like you or I) clicks on the "View profile" of the forged post. Fortunately that does nothing to compromise your Google account. Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem? It's a problem with the user interface design of Google Groups that isn't likely to be fixed since they probably don't consider it broken. I suspect they wrote their software the way they did so that even if a poster changes Usenet service providers, then so long as that user continues to post under the same name and/or e-mail address, then their archives will associate all posts to the same user profile. Sometimes that reasonable, sometimes not (as in forgeries.) In one sense, the Google Groups programming assumption reinforces the case that such forgeries have the potential to be libelous and if persistent and serious enough, might rate legal pursuit. Depends on whether the perp makes the cost/benefit ratio low enough to pursue for you or anyone else so targeted. I've seen enough of the mismanagement (or deliberately criminal management?) of x-privat.org and the owner's slow and non-responses to complaints (and failures to blacklist repeated perps and failure to put in place better registration procedures) that I think it would be reasonable to target that provider. I think that from a legal strategy point of view, it might be worthwhile to consider pointing out to the owner of the x- privat.org machines that such libelous posts are originating on _their_ machines and they are responsible for said libel until they can prove otherwise. In other words, if they aren't keeping records of who is posting through their machine they have to be considered the authors of those posts. Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I have. As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a close eye on it to see if it expands. Dudley |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I have. I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets to nail him. As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a close eye on it to see if it expands. Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers. And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational. |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan wrote:
I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not Chinese (cn) provider. |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:59:23 -0800 (PST), Jim Logajan wrote:
Injection-Info: 12g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=207.172.126.29; posting-account=cwneDAkAAACfknJM_i61589Q9qmC6yDw WTF that's Henriques! |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:58:10 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote: ... I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts and the forgeries.... Dudley Henriques It might be useful to find out if the troll in question is left or right-handed. Brian W Huh? -- Bear Bottoms-Freeware Researcher Extraordinaire Freeware website: http://bearware.info |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Nov 10, 2:59*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan wrote: I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not Chinese (cn) provider. Yep Zurich area. DH |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... snip as I'm sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts and the forgeries. I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. I assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff. snip The Internet has been this way for a long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog Happy landings, |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
On Nov 10, 4:05*pm, "Private" wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... snip *as I'm sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts and the forgeries. I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. *I assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff. snip The Internet has been this way for a long time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog Happy landings, Thank you very much..............I think :-)) Not sure who anyone is any longer :-)) To be quite frank with you I'm leaning heavily at this point on giving Usenet a rest for a while. No big deal for sure or long departure thing, but it just needs a rest......or at least I do anyway. Please feel free to use my private email if desired for any contact. I'm always available to discuss aviation and aviation safety with both friends and interested parties. Jim Logajan has my email address in case the google munge interferes. Best to you Dudley Henriques |
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Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please
"Fake Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
... Dudley Henriques wrote: I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using my name to post here on this forum. That *******! :-) Actually, "that little sniveling, cowardly snotball". |
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