IFR in motorglider?

Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Thanks!

Chuck

cp wrote:
Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads
"instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as
the FAA is concerned.

Tony V.

On 6/29/04 2:37 PM, in article
, "cp"
wrote:

Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Thanks!

Chuck
Good one! I would guess that the answer is yes provided the glider is
current re VOR, transponder and altimeter checks, and you have met the
instrument experience and competency requirements of 61.57.

Bob
CFI, CFII, CFIG

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Bob
bobgreenblattATmsnDOTcom --fix this before responding

(cp) wrote in message . com...
Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Thanks!

Chuck

You don't say what country you operate in. In USA no medical is
required for any glider operation.

Andy

(cp) wrote in message . com...
Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

If the legality of your flight depends upon a certificate that
requires a current medical (which I think is the case), no.

Tony Verhulst wrote in message ...
cp wrote:
Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads
"instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as
the FAA is concerned.

Tony V.

An instrument airplane rating is required to operate IFR in a glider.

Currency requirements as defined in

Section 61.57: Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.

(2) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in a glider,
performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions--
(i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, of which 1\1/2\
hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers are
to be carried; or
(ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if a passenger
is to be carried.


Note that being intrument current in airplanes does not assure
instrument currency in gliders.


Andy

The problem is getting the 1.5 hours (of the 3 required) in the glider to
get current. Since you are single seat, you cannot legally do simulated
instrument. That means getting in the appropriately equipped 2-seater to get
legally current.

The original poster had a motorglider. Should that be a two seater, the
challenges get smaller.

Paul

"Andy Durbin" wrote in message
om...
Tony Verhulst wrote in message
...
cp wrote:
Question:

Can I, a commercial & instrument rated power and glider pilot legally
fly IFR in a motorglider (which is IFR certified) if I do not have a
current medical?

Oh, this is a good one :-). I suspect that your certificate reads
"instrument, airplane" but, a motor glider is not an airplane, as far as
the FAA is concerned.

Tony V.

An instrument airplane rating is required to operate IFR in a glider.

Currency requirements as defined in

Section 61.57: Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.

(2) For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in a glider,
performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions--
(i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, of which 1\1/2\
hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers are
to be carried; or
(ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if a passenger
is to be carried.


Note that being intrument current in airplanes does not assure
instrument currency in gliders.


Andy

"Paul Lynch" wrote in message news:utBEc.8566$mN3.7647@lakeread06...
The problem is getting the 1.5 hours (of the 3 required) in the glider to
get current. Since you are single seat, you cannot legally do simulated
instrument. That means getting in the appropriately equipped 2-seater to get
legally current.

The original poster had a motorglider. Should that be a two seater, the
challenges get smaller.

Paul


Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3
hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be
carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider.

The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for
every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the
instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency
requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it
is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency
Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you
can only maintain existing currency.

Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or
an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument
pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6
approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane
instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of
instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally
current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so
long as passengers are not carried.

The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the
Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose
what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument
instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the
glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight
every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and
get another IPC.


Andy

Actually the those were the old regulations. With the rewrite of FAR
61 a few years ago they dropped the hour requirment to stay current.
Now all that is required is 6 Approaches and entering a holding
pattern every 6 months.


As it has had been before if you let this expire you have an
additional 6 months to perform these approaches and holding to become
current again. If however you go for more that 12 months without
becoming current you will have to take an instrument proficency check
with a CFII.

Your are correct that currency in an airplane will transfer to glider.

Brian Case
CFIIG/ASEL



Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3
hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be
carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider.

The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for
every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the
instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency
requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it
is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency
Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you
can only maintain existing currency.

Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or
an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument
pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6
approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane
instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of
instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally
current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so
long as passengers are not carried.

The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the
Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose
what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument
instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the
glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight
every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and
get another IPC.


Andy

"Brian Case" wrote in message
m...
Actually the those were the old regulations. With the rewrite of FAR
61 a few years ago they dropped the hour requirment to stay current.
Now all that is required is 6 Approaches and entering a holding
pattern every 6 months.


As it has had been before if you let this expire you have an
additional 6 months to perform these approaches and holding to become
current again. If however you go for more that 12 months without
becoming current you will have to take an instrument proficency check
with a CFII.

Your are correct that currency in an airplane will transfer to glider.

Brian Case
CFIIG/ASEL



Actually, the regulation imposes no requirement to do any of the 3
hours of instrument flight in a glider unless passengers are to be
carried. It just says 1.5 hours *may* be done in a glider.

The real problem may be keeping up 3 hours of instrument flight for
every six months following an IPC or initial issuance of the
instrument rating. For those not familiar with instrument currency
requirements – the 6-month currency must be maintained, once it
is lost it can only regained by taking an Instrument Proficiency
Check. You cannot *get* current by flying 3 hours in 6 months, you
can only maintain existing currency.

Note that the IPC to qualify for glider IFR may be done in a glider or
an airplane. So one possible scenario is that the airplane instrument
pilot takes an IPC in an airplane then, in addition to the 6
approaches with holding etc required every 6 months to keep airplane
instrument current, the pilot also ensures that he flies 3 hours of
instrument time in the same 6 months. That keeps the pilot legally
current for airplane and glider IFR without flying a glider at all so
long as passengers are not carried.

The other way would be to do an IPC in a 2-place glider. Since the
Instrument PTS does not apply to gliders, the instructor could choose
what tasks had to be performed. All you need then is an instrument
instructor who is glider rated and a suitable glider. Following the
glider IPC you then need to maintain the 3 hours instrument flight
every 6 months, or get the 3 hours in the next 6 months, or to go and
get another IPC.


Andy

I always considered an IPC an opportunity and not a burden. I got one every
6 months even though I had the time and approaches in real IMC. I sought
out the crustiest CFII's I could find and asked them to put me through the
ringer. An old geezer who flew for an air freight company was the best. I
figured since I was really out there in the wild gray yonder I needed to be
as sharp as possible. They always taught me something I didn't know.

Usually, the IPC meant the simulated loss of the vacuum gyros and the whole
avionics stack except for the ADF and marker beacon receiver. He'd hand me
a handheld comm radio after turning off or covering up all the really useful
gadgets and say, "Put on the hood and get me down alive". A few holding
patterns and non-precision approaches with no autopilot and a 45 knot
crosswind followed.

Single pilot IFR in IMC is not for wusses.

Bill Daniels