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In message . com,
Kronoman writes Well, this is mostly unconfirmed, but there were rumors to the effect that Russian Kilo-class boats (but only the actual Russian ones, not the ones sold to India, China and Iran) have a few SA-N-8 Gremlin (Strela) or SA-N-9 Gauntlet (Kinzhal/Klinok) missiles mounted in the sail, for defense when they're forced to surface. Pressure-tight canister with a SA-14/16/18 gripstock and a few rounds inside, according to some sketches. Nothing more dramatic (and that assumes it's actually present, I've not seen anything conclusive one way or another) This probably makes more sense for diesel boats than nuclear ones, though. More likely they carry Gremlin than Gauntlet, if anything at all - Gauntlet isn't a huge missile, but it's not tiny either - see the size of the SA-N-9 VLS on Udaloy, Neustrashimy or Kuznetsov. Never mind the VLS, where do you put the Cross Swords director and the surveillance/target acquisition to cue it? Like Sea Wolf, that's not a compact system by the time you've brought all the required elements along. On the other hand, it does have the advantage of being designed for vertical launch. Strela is normally a MANPADS. The Kilos apparently have good compartmentalisation and lots of reserve buoyancy, so a lightweight torpedo hit might force one to the surface but not sink it. At that point, having a couple of SAMs immediately to hand might keep MPA or helicopters at a respectful distance, enough that their torpedo drops are done from a long way out if at all; this might be worthless (if enemy surface units are to hand) or quite handy (if dealing with a single helicopter or MPA, with its backup some way away). Wouldn't let the Kilo do much more than limp away, but that might be enough to get it and its crew home. Some say that the Santa Fe incident had an influence, others say there's no such canister of missiles anyway -- Paul J. Adam |
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Michael Wise wrote:
In article , Andrew Swallow wrote: Kronoman wrote: [snip] AA missiles on a sub aren't completely pointless. If you're stuck on the surface for some reason (recovering/deploying SEALs, repairing, etc), they might make a good 'oh crap' defense. Also, a canister that could be quietly plopped out to bob to the surface, then launch a RAM or Stinger or something similar might be somewhat useful for popping helos. Probably only good in the hot-war scenario where your opponent would risk dropping a weapon on a probsub contact, but not /entirely/ useless. Only worth anything if it's cheap, though (RAM? Stinger? Strela?) Submarines are normally on the surface when they are in port and can only do shallow dives in rivers. Its home port is also the easiest place to find a submarine. AS Pearl Harbour showed the best place to attack any warship is when it is tied up. Great, so the next time we're in active maritime combat, we'll just ask the enemy to return their subs to port (and we'll do same), to facilitate sinking them. --Mike Fully consistent with the Royal Navies traditional strategy of first giving the enemy sailors a bloody nose and then a choice between dyeing a cold, wet nasty death or spending the rest of the war in their home port's brothels. (Except the UK closes its brothels and keeps its warship at sea.) Andrew Swallow |
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Gordon wrote: [SNIP] That brings up an interesting question; how effective is an ASW aircraft's MAD gear when the aircraft is at 20,000 feet? Oh, you might detect a Typhoon, but not much else! Actually, as you undoubtedly know, MAD slant range is far less than a mile so these launches would have to be basically wishful thinking, or against a visually sighted target such as a sinker or a shallow runner. I can't think of any other situation that would allow an attack, unless the attacking aircraft watched a submarine launch a weapon. v/r Gordon Would systems like Blue-Green Laser Radars or Hyperspectral sensors http://www.answers.com/topic/littora...-hyperspectral be more useful than MAD in situations like this? |
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I spent my time in VS-27, VS-30, VS-73, VP-93 and FASOTRAGRULANT. Bill Kambic Haras Lucero, Kingston, TN Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão I'm going to have to start working "fasotragrulant" into conversations... "The wife's feeling a bit fasotragrulant, so we going to stay home tonight." Cheers, Wes PS- worked a bit on the early stages of MMA (P-8), and discovered that the reason for the internal weapons bay was the inadvisability of freezing your torps at altitude. Wanted to invent a VLTC (Very Large Tea Cozy) to allow external carriage, but management wouldn't buy it... |
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Gord Beaman wrote:
wrote: cut The P-3 has a day limit of 200', but it's a MUCH larger aircraft that is not so manueverable. Gee...the Argus was a much larger a/c than the P-3 and our limit was 100 feet...why have they limited the P-3 to 200?... I remember the Argus at an airshow in '70 or '71 when the Fincastle was at RAAF Edinburgh. Very impressive low level show - weather was fine for the practice day, overcast on show-day. 4 big radials still have an appeal of their own .... The Orions do a fairly blistering routine when the air is clear, but they still smell like a kero heater. -- Cheers Dave Kearton |
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weasel wrote:
I spent my time in VS-27, VS-30, VS-73, VP-93 and FASOTRAGRULANT. Bill Kambic Haras Lucero, Kingston, TN Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão I'm going to have to start working "fasotragrulant" into conversations... "The wife's feeling a bit fasotragrulant, so we going to stay home tonight." Cheers, Wes Sounds like a dietary issue ... -- Cheers Dave Kearton |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:11:49 +0930, "Dave Kearton"
wrote: Sounds like a dietary issue ... "Beans for power...onions for aroma!" ;-) Bill Kambic Haras Lucero, Kingston, TN Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão |
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